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Jason Kirk of SB Nation on Deshaun Watson and the Heisman...
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Jason Kirk of SB Nation on Deshaun Watson and the Heisman...
Mar 24, 2017, 9:30 AM
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A college football newsletter by Jason Kirk
Deshaun Watson should've won the Heisman in 2015. Derrick Henry's win wasn't an injustice, but Clemson never would've made a Playoff run without Watson. Hard to say the same about Bama and Henry.
Lamar Jackson was the right choice last season, though if they handed it out after the season, Watson would've taken it.
The greatest Clemson player ever leaves with a national title, all sorts of individual awards, a potential top-10 NFL Draft contract, and two top-three Heisman finishes. Though Jackson put up tons of highlights and touchdowns, mostly against overwhelmed competition like Charlotte and Florida State, it's still jarring to try and think of 2016 as belonging to anybody but Watson.
On ESPN's QB sitdown show, Jon Gruden went through some of Watson's awards, including one that involves off-field achievement (Watson has followed Warrick Dunn into work with Habitat for Humanity), and asked the QB what more he could've done to win the big one.
"When you beat Ohio State like you beat 'em, as the starting quarterback, and you beat Notre Dame in the rain -- and Notre Dame was a heck of a team two years ago -- you beat Oklahoma, great team, you beat Florida State in Tallahassee in the two-minute drill, I'm just curious. Does it tick you off? How can you not win the Heisman with that body of work? Even Alabama, you got them too."
Gruden's including a bunch of wins that didn't impact either Heisman race, seeing as they were either Playoff games or spread across two seasons. But we know what he meant.
"What do you gotta do to win that Heisman?" Gruden asked.
"Last year, I guess lose a couple games, and then win it?" Watson laughed. Jackson's team lost to Watson's team close, got blown out at Houson, and fell to rival Kentucky. However, Jackson finished with bigger numbers, and it's quite arguable that he outdueled Watson in Clemson.
"I just kinda keep it in the back of my mind. Like Coach Swinney said, I didn't miss out on the Heisman," he said. "They missed out on me."
They really oughta hand that trophy out after bowl season. But Jackson deserved it when it was handed out, Watson got the trophy that matters more, and all is well.
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Watson DiD NOT Get OUTDUELED in DV by LAMAR!!
Mar 24, 2017, 9:41 AM
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In fact, DW4 scored 2 TD's within minutes in the 4th quarter when TiGS were down big time.
And, Jackson DID NOT DESERVE the Heisman last year..especially with his losses in the last part of the regular season and a bowl loss too (I believe).
Where do these pundits come uP with this garbage?!?!
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Lamar had more rushing yardage...
Mar 24, 2017, 9:55 AM
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and more rushing TD's which is to be expected since he is their leading rusher.
Passing, Lamarville was 27 of 44 for 295 yards and 1 TD.
Watson was 20 of 31 for 306 yards and 5 TDs.
More importantly, Watson led the offense on two fourth-quarter touchdowns drives to win the game 42-36.
Outdueled my a$$ !!!!!
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Re: Lamar had more rushing yardage...
Mar 24, 2017, 11:35 AM
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lmao..that's if you only care about totals....
Yes, Lamar had a higher total rush yards...but he also rushed 17 more times than Watson...31 vs DW's 14. You look at the yards per rush averages though and it was in fact Watson that had the higher yards per rush (6.5 per rush vs Lamar's 5.2).
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DW4 is a "winner" ... most important stat by far.
Mar 24, 2017, 12:45 PM
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If a blind vote were take of the coaches around the country as to which QB they'd rather build their team around, the vast majority would choose DW4 ...
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You have one game for all the marbles and can choose...
Mar 24, 2017, 10:11 AM
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one to be your QB.....who is it? That's what it comes down to for me and the decision isn't even close. DW did get the trophy that matters and the Heisman committee can suck it.
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Watson had more yards, TDs and a better completion than LJ
Mar 24, 2017, 10:15 AM
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So how in any way is it "arguable" that Jackson out dueled him? Because he had a few more rushing yards? Because he had 2 less INT? One of Watson's INTs is fully on McCloud btw.
They'll say anything to fit the media's narrative at the time that LJ was the best in the country I guess.
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Classic case of the hype machine influencing the vote
Mar 24, 2017, 10:43 AM
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The voting base couldn't think for themselves on this one. They all screwed up but won't ever admit it. LJ was flawed in that if u could get pressure on him and make him think before he was ready to he was done. Watson was never done in any game.
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Re: Watson had more yards, TDs and a better completion than LJ
Mar 24, 2017, 11:28 AM
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If you're going to refer to "media narratives", you should probably excuse guys like Jason Kirk and the whole Shutdown Fullcast crew. They operate on their own wavelength.
The argument can be made for Jackson outdueling Watson in our game, IMO. Watson gets huge points for leading the comeback, but Jackson also must get credit for seemingly doing it all on his own. Clemson's defensive line was handling Louisville's OL throughout the game, Jackson was getting beaten up nonstop, and he still managed to nearly win a huge game, seemingly on his own, in one of the most difficult stadiums in the nation.
Kirk is 100% accurate in saying Jackson "arguably" outdueled Watson...I'm not sure I agree with him, but the argument can be made.
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Re: Watson had more yards, TDs and a better completion than LJ
Mar 24, 2017, 11:52 AM
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How so...just by citing his total rush yards, rush TD's and his less interceptions?
Because last I recall, Waston had the higher total pass yards in less pass attempts, averaged the higher pass yards per pass, had the more total TD's, had the higher passing TD's, had the higher rush yards per rush as well (while rushing for less than half the attempts that Lamar did).
You ask me, the one that out-dueled the other is Watson, and the stats back it up when looking beyond just a few spots.
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He play good no doubt but had his chance to win it
Mar 24, 2017, 12:05 PM
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And solidify that status and didn't get it done. That's all I should know. Watson had better numbers and won. His hype machine was already at a 10 so he got the extra rub by the media bc he didn't choke.like he did later.
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He play good no doubt but had his chance to win it
Mar 24, 2017, 12:05 PM
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And solidify that status and didn't get it done. That's all I should know. Watson had better numbers and won. His hype machine was already at a 10 so he got the extra rub by the media bc he didn't choke.like he did later.
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