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When has bankrolling another countrys war really worked?
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May 14, 2024, 5:24 PM
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I’m thinking of Ukraine here
We are fooling ourselves if we think anything short of direct intervention is going to end with Ukraine winning the war or keeping the territory it currently holds
I don’t think we should directly intervene and at this point we are just wasting money and making a bunch of Ukrainian, Russian oligarchs rich along with the Defense contractor fat cats
Total bungled foreign policy
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Korean War?***
May 14, 2024, 5:58 PM
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Re: Korean War?***
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May 15, 2024, 7:15 AM
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We were in Korea
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I see. So which wars are we talking about?***
May 15, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Re: Korean War?***
May 15, 2024, 10:04 AM
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I myself was actually thinking about that time the French bankrolled some colonists' rebellion so they could break away from England.
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In pure CBA, we've gotten our money's worth.
May 14, 2024, 7:29 PM
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And that's really just up to date. Granted, you probably also don't think we should support our NATO allies if Putin were to attack them next.
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lol @ NATO allies. Its just international welfare.***
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May 14, 2024, 7:37 PM
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Re: lol @ NATO allies. Its just international welfare.***
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May 14, 2024, 7:38 PM
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Cant they protect themselves? They sure aint putting any money into
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May 14, 2024, 7:45 PM
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Ukraine and that midgets wallets
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dUhMuCrAcEE!! We are led by idiots***
May 14, 2024, 7:43 PM
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Re: dUhMuCrAcEE!! We are led by idiots***
May 15, 2024, 6:06 AM
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You're cult leader is an idiot.
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Re: dUhMuCrAcEE!! We are led by idiots***
May 15, 2024, 6:06 AM
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Your
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Re: When has bankrolling another countrys war really worked?
May 14, 2024, 9:38 PM
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next dictator should be at least 6'
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Dont ask the French Jacobins***
May 14, 2024, 10:54 PM
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In 1935 retired Marine Major General Smedley Butler wrote the book
May 15, 2024, 9:20 AM
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"War is a Racket". He highlights many of the military interventions in which he took part in the early part of the 1900's through about 1930. He was all over the world in these interventions but mainly in South America/Caribbean, WWI, and China. In 1935 he published the following in "Common Sense" magazine:
"I Was a "Racketeer... It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent 33 years and 4 months In active service as a member of our country's most agile military force -- the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from a second lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical of everyone in the military service.
Thus I, helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the rap.ing of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 191G. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."
[Source of quote: Common Sense, Vol. 4, No. 11 (November, 1935), pp. 8-12]
Now I very much disagree with Butler's "I never had an original thought until I left the service" line of thinking (he's dead wrong IMO) and his courting of socialism in the 1930's. But one can certainly understand why Butler became very jaded in his capitalist views from his experiences servicing the worst aspects of politically complicit crony capitalism.
But Butler ain't totally wrong when it comes to much of war being a racket. Again I disagree with him in that not all wars are a racket (WWII was certainly not a "racket" war) but many military interventions simply are. Unfortunately it has been this way for a long time and not much has changed in military interventions since before his day.
It's just the "who" that is getting their pockets lined that tends to change. In the USA way of military interventions the two bill payers always remain the same: the US tax payer provides the money (even when we are already up to our eyeballs in debt) and in the case of direct US military involvement - the US middle/lower class kids who do the fighting pay with their blood and lives.
In today's environment - you don't want to be the person fighting the war but the person supplying the logistics and overpriced implements of the war. Been that way for a while but particularly strong since the Bush family tried to spread Democracy at the point of a gun in the middle east. That's part of the reason you don't see the rich kids and the connected political class kids participating in military service. They are too busy making bank or paying off political favors and campaign donors by pushing military interventionist political policies...
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War is the health of the state
May 15, 2024, 9:22 AM
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And man I wish people would learn that government paying corporations is not capitalism, but fascism
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Hmm let's see. Lend/Lease Act? Destroyers for Bases? Panama?
May 15, 2024, 10:02 AM
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Truman Doctrine?
Fact is we arm and flow money to many war torn countries to ensure that we don't have to go.
So sure. We can save money and not send any to Ukraine. But then we'll end up sending our sons.
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OK, so let's just cut Ukraine loose....
May 15, 2024, 4:41 PM
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We'll be seeing Putin again in Moldova, and either in the Baltics or Poland. This isn't the end for Putin.
And China is watching. And if they see us bail out on Ukraine, this makes Taiwan a dead duck.
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