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Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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in these primaries/caucuses?
I assume it’s because they truly like him and think he’s the best Republican nominee. He’s crushing Haley and crushed all the other dozen or so candidates when they were still in the race. It hasn’t even been close.
So what is it?
Name recognition?
A belief that the is the most likely candidate to beat Biden?
Is it actually because they have a close alignment with his policies and leadership style?
I’m asking this sincerely, as someone who voted for him twice before and liked a lot of what he did, but now can’t stand the man and would vote for Biden instead of him if they were my only two choices.
I just honestly can’t believe this many people actually like the guy at this point and think he’s a great choice to lead our country.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 5:21 PM
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strong leadership experience peacemaker no endless wars america first
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 5:59 PM
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😂
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Republicans, especially southern voting republicans
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Mar 2, 2024, 5:44 PM
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do not like new blood unless they're forced to elect someone new. That's why republicans have senators that serve into their 90's. Incumbent republican governors/senators/sheriffs/mayors in the south rarely ever lose to a democrat and even less lose their party bids as the incumbent. Blind loyalty is all it is. Straight ticket voters.
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Re: Republicans, especially southern voting republicans
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Mar 2, 2024, 9:01 PM
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Insert northern Democrats in place of southern Republicans and its just as accurate.
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He's so brainwashed, he doesn't even see it.***
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Mar 3, 2024, 1:46 AM
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Dude - you need to check the stats... It ain't just the "South" and "Southern
Mar 11, 2024, 7:59 AM
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Republicans" that have this high incumbency re-election rate. It happens in every locality in the whole country and is irrespective of political Party.
The incumbency advantage is just one of the reasons we need draconian term limits in elected AND appointed public office but the Political Party's and their entrenched career politicians will fight term limits with every fiber of their being...
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/reelection-rates
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No - I certainly can't. I was sure that if Haley could run 1-on-1 against Trump,
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Mar 2, 2024, 5:59 PM
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she would win easily. So, I guess that means I has the stupid.
With Trump - I gots to admit - North Korea stopped testing missiles; Putin didn't invade anywhere; ISIS was quickly put down. The border was as calm as it could be - at least he tried to do something.
Also, all of these lawsuits (which all waited until he announced he was running) and some states trying to keep him off of the ballot as an insurrectionist only bolster his claim that The Swamp is out to get him. His followers love that poop.
I'll be voting 3rd party - hopefully enough people do that to "make a statement".
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Re: No - I certainly can't. I was sure that if Haley could run 1-on-1 against Trump,
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North Korea did not stop testing missles.
Russia and Ukraine were in armed conflict throughout the entire Trump administration.
Border crossings tripled in 2019 from where they were when Trump took office.
How are you this misinformed?
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Re: No - I certainly can't. I was sure that if Haley could run 1-on-1 against Trump,
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Mar 2, 2024, 9:03 PM
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The Ukraine mess started under Obama. Just because that was one mess Trump didn't clean up doesn't mean he wouldn't have in a second term. He killed lots of swamp creatures. We have a long way to go still. You like the swamp it seems.
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Re: No - I certainly can't. I was sure that if Haley could run 1-on-1 against Trump,
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Mar 3, 2024, 8:20 AM
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Define Swampy.
For example, placing your DIL as the co-chair on the RNC so they can pay for your legal bills.
I'll wait.
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Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
Mar 3, 2024, 9:45 AM
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Re: Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
Mar 3, 2024, 10:09 AM
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LOL at how you can't articulate your BS. Too funny.
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Re: Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
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Your premises about Trump’s lack of accomplishments re border, RUS / UKR, N.Korea are intentionally misleading.
Trump’s border was infinitely better than Biden’s despite Trump’s border policy objectives being constantly undermined by RINO Republicans and Democrats. Lawsuits out the wazoo … just like today; LawFare has been used against Trump and his policies since his first day in office.
UKR / RUS ‘armed conflict’ was of the skirmish variety when Trump was in office. Full out offensive operations when Obama and Biden was / is in office. Trump used the economic threat of nat gas exports to the EU to keep Putin on a short leash. Obama and Biden signaled openly (via green energy policies) that this most important diplomatic tool of deterrence would not be used.
N.Korea was engaged diplomatically by Trump. Yes, NoKo still kept up with ballistic missile development, but they stopped ‘tests’ over Japan after Trump ‘talked’ to Dear Leader. Enter Biden; NoKo test fired another ballistic missile over Japan.
Let’s face it. Your non-Trump candidates are proven bums. Trump is infinitely better than them; he has a proven track record. Your guys also have a proven track record. Unfortunately for your TDS buddies, their records are terrible.
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Re: Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
Mar 3, 2024, 2:44 PM
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Crossings at the southern border remained flat from 2011 through 2018. Then in 2019, they tripled. There isn't any empirical evidence that shows the border was any better under Trump. Sorry.
Trump was unable/unwilling to stop Russian aggression in Ukraine the entire time he was in office. Sorry again for the inconvenient facts.
I hope you didn't hurt your back moving those goal posts on NKorea. I'm embarrassed that you actually hit the send button after typing that.
LOL
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Re: Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
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Mar 3, 2024, 8:29 PM
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More parsing of statements on your behalf in a desperate attempt to create a fictitious narrative in support of the Democrats. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but it didn’t work.
Trump’s border policies were undercut by RINOs and Democrats; it took them 3 years to defeat Trump’s executive orders -&- his negotiations with the Mexican govt. They largely stopped Trump’s border wall construction. This is why Trump gets the highest marks on border security; he did his best to stop the influx of illegal immigrants that were / are so desperately sought by the RINOs and Democrats.
As for the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, you are really digging deep in a futile attempt to equate Obama’s and Biden’s failures to Trump’s successes. Preparation H should help to ease the pain.
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Re: Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
Mar 3, 2024, 8:52 PM
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Again, no empirical evidence that Trump's policies reduced border crossings. Just like Trump failed to stop the Russian aggression in Ikraine that was going on all through his presidency. He also accomplished nothing with NKorea except sold couple of commemorative coins to clowns like yourself. Keep swinging Baw. 😆
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You're describing you and you only....
Mar 3, 2024, 8:52 PM
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The vast majority of Trump support is about who he hates, which are the same people the Red Hats hate.
Your own views on his policies are your views. Even if I agreed with you on his policies - which I don't - they don't say a #### thing about the motivations of the rest of the Red Hats.
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Re: Running with, you know, a bunch of RATS! Vermin! Swampy!***
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Mar 4, 2024, 5:58 AM
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Trump promises:
We will build the wall Mexico will pay for it We will deport every illegal immigrant in US He pledged to uphold every US law, unlike Hillary
Reality Trump built only 50 miles of the wall US citizen though tax dollars paid for the wall that was built Obama deported more immigrants each year in office than each trump year in office He encouraged the largest attempted coup in our country’s history
Trump IS the Swamp thing.
Sadly he could not get major border protection passed when republicans controlled the house and senate. He had his turn. Joe can’t get it done either. Sadly he is even worse than trump.
I’m a 3rd party voter
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BT - yep, I was wrong about NK. There were about 18 months in the middle of
Mar 4, 2024, 9:02 AM
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Trump's presidency where there were no tests and there were about 3x as many in 2022 as ever before according to this (so I was definitely speaking from perception) and I'm not sure where these missiles tests went from 2017-2021:
https://missilethreat.csis.org/north-korea-missile-launches-1984-present/
You're really stretching comparing Putin holding the part of Ukraine that he already had when Trump took office with the Ukraine invasions of 2014 and 2022.
Shirley you remember Trump being fought every step of the way when trying to deal with the border? I know in 2019, he got Mexico to use their military to slow crossing at their North and South borders. He definitely TRIED to do something...
I'm not sure why you have to be such a d-bag when responding to folks...
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Re: BT - yep, I was wrong about NK. There were about 18 months in the middle of
Mar 4, 2024, 9:36 AM
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I said it on here numerous times that I intentionally post with same arrogance and demeanor as DJT. So I get a good LOL when people hold me to a higher standard than the 45th POTUS when it comes to getting triggered over MEAN TWEETS.
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I don't read all of your posts - so I never noticed you saying that. DJT is a
Mar 4, 2024, 12:28 PM
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d-bag, so if you're trying to emulate him - you're doing a fine job. So, carry on.
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Re: I don't read all of your posts - so I never noticed you saying that. DJT is a
Mar 4, 2024, 10:23 PM
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Don't worry, I will. At least until DADDY is no longer politically relevant. Then I will drop the shtick. 😆
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 6:00 PM
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Research cults. You’ll see the similarities
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 6:01 PM
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BS Dem voters are the cultists
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They worship Trump, its that simple.***
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Mar 2, 2024, 6:27 PM
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Re: They worship Trump, its that simple.***
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See above response to Birm’s perspectives about Trump’s ‘not any better than Obama or Biden’ with respect to border, UKR / RUS, and NoKo.
The ‘worship’ that Trump gets has been earned. As for the TDS candidates, the disdain with which they are regarded has been also been earned.
Pay attention and it will be clear to you.
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I see that, but my question is WHY?!?
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I honestly don’t understand. He’s a proven liar, he disrespects people, he didn’t fulfill most of his campaign promises, and he’s admitted to using the presidency as a vehicle to further his own personal interests. Yet they see him as a leader, problem solver, and America lover.
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Could not tell you. It makes it even tougher to understand
Mar 4, 2024, 9:12 PM
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because he’s a narcissistic bumbling moron. It’s not like he is some well-spoken, inspirational guy. I could understand that, even if I didn’t agree with him. But he’s so transparently a liar and a clown, at least to normal people, that the worship is even harder to understand. That and the fact that anybody would worship ANY politician and tie their identity to ANY politician is something I will never understand. You could be George Washington in the late 1700’s and I wouldn’t do a boat parade or storm the capital for you.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 7:28 PM
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“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
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Re: Because he hates the same people they hate....
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It's nothing more than that. I don't think the average Red Hat could tell you anything that Trump accomplished during his presidency. But they know that he despises the same people they despise, and pretends to be a martyr figure for them. Their political identity is wrapped up in Trump and his fake martyrdom, which draws them even closer to him.
I thought that when he tried to overturn the 2020 election, that enough people would turn against him within his own party to do him in. But I was wrong. The average GOP voter doesn't care about Democracy, and they're willing to throw it away because they hate The Left.
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He stopped ESG pension rules day one***
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Re: Because he hates the same people they hate....
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Mar 3, 2024, 10:50 AM
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You too …
See above response to Birm’s perspectives about Trump’s ‘not any better than Obama or Biden’ with respect to border, UKR / RUS, and NoKo.
The ‘worship’ that Trump gets has been earned. As for the TDS candidates, the disdain with which they are regarded has been also been earned.
Pay attention and it will be clear to you.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 8:01 PM
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Go back to spewing basketball crap, nitwit…
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Im not surprised that youre a Trump voter.
Mar 4, 2024, 5:55 PM
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And that's not a compliment.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 8:58 PM
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You're known like many of the libs on here to be insincere and unreachable and unteachable. Why would anyone engage in conversation with you? You're not interested in reviewing your own opinions. Your not trying to learn or understand anything at all. You're only interested in alleviating any doubts you may have about your own thinking and shouting down those who don't share your disease.
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I said that I am honestly asking because I genuinely dont understand.
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I am trying to learn, because I don’t understand how anyone who cares about America and seeing our country prosper could vote for Trump, who has proven himself to be a liar, a fraud, and a self-serving jerk who is mostly about himself.
I am trying to understand this phenomenon as someone who has voted for him in two elections and liked a lot of what he did. I’m not a Biden supporter trying to start an argument.
If you were interested in a real discussion, you would find my post thought-provoking. Unfortunately, you seem to be too caught up in judging others and berating people you don’t like or understand. That is consistent with what I see in a lot of Trump supporters these days.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 9:34 PM
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Hey look another lifetime "Republican" who is suddenly a Democrat because of Trump. We get at least a dozen of these threads a week. Trolls gonna troll.
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The pseudo-Conservative 'Circle'... Disinformation specialists.***
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 9:42 PM
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He's the only candidate who has the chutzpah and brand recognition to have a snowball's chance of continuing the redevelopment of the swamp in DC. Isn't it obvious?
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 10:04 PM
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Everyone is tired of the Weekend at Bernies reruns.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Mar 2, 2024, 10:33 PM
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He's the only candidate who has the chutzpah and brand recognition to have a snowball's chance of continuing the redevelopment of the swamp in DC. Isn't it obvious?
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Because he is the anti-politician***
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100% wrong as usual...he is the consummate politician...
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He has no political center or underlying belief system...he stands for and says whatever he thinks allows him to obtain/maintain power. He doesn't care at all about his constituents, his party, or his country. He proves that time and time again to folks with their heads out of their arses.
It is downright depressing that he has so many people fooled.
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Re: 100% wrong as usual...he is the consummate politician...
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For someone who allegedly doesn’t care about his constituents, Trump has nevertheless won passionate support by millions because of what he had done and what he sincerely tried to do.
Border: Trump did more to try and close the border to illegal immigration than any president since … ever. Despite being blocked again and again on the border wall by RINOs and Democrats, his ‘remain in Mexico’ policy and getting Mexico to rigorously enforce the border … at Mexico’s expense … was the most effective border policy since illegal immigration via Mexico had morphed from seasonal migration (for agricultural workers) to permanent migrants (I.e., voters for the Democrat party).
Fair trade via, among other factors, meaningful tariffs on imports from P.R.China helped to stem the tide of ‘off-shoring’ of American industries. Aside from helping to preserve the economies of several Midwestern states, this move helped the country to recognize the threat to our national security when we become overly dependent on foreign exports for crucial products.
Christians correctly recognized the government’s soft assault on Christianity and Christian values. DEI laws and soft coercion of private companies to force DEI hiring / promotions on their personnel policies and their marketing programs are rightly viewed by Christians as corrosive to American values of hard work and merit based rewards. This is a long topic, so I’ll keep this response short and use it as bait to trigger the TDS crowd. Suffice it to say that Trump supporters recognized Trump’s unambiguous support of policies which are not antithetical to traditional American values.
Thus, for the limited subset of Americans which were positively affected by Trump and negatively impacted by Obama & Biden, the ‘border worriers,’ ‘America first,’ and Christians, respectively, believe they are justified in having Trump’s philosophical + kinetic support has earned their support in return.
Actions vs Speculation (I.e., TDS crowd ruminations about what they want to believe is going on inside Trump’s head).
Action wins. TDS’ers lose.
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The problem (with immigration especially)...
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is he didn't actually fix anything.
With immigration/border security, just about everything he did was via EO's and, as we have unfortunately seen, they can be easily changed by subsequent administrations. He left after 4 years with no substantial changes to the immigration law or border security.
The one attempt at making lasting change was the very poorly structured RAISE act, which was as much about cutting legal immigration as it was about curbing illegal immigration.
Trump's big campaign pledge was to build a wall on the Southern border and have Mexico pay for it. After 4 yrs, neither happened.
And, please understand, I fully support building more enhanced border wall/fence/security. Trump had party control of both houses of Congress his first 2 years and didn't get it done.
And this is one of the biggest problems I had with Trump's presidency...he wasn't a leader...he wasn't a persuader...he thrived (as still does) on separating and pitting sides against each other. That works to incent both sides of an issue versus making a real case and selling it to the people.
Fair Trade...
He started a trade war with China that accomplished very little outside of feeding inflation. It did not meaningfully slow off-shoring. What it did do is create price hikes...especially in steel. He announced the initial national security tariffs seemingly out of nowhere. The steel industry wasn't ready and US manufacturers weren't ready. Overnight the price of steel jumped 15% plus an import tariff of 25%, for a net adder of +40%. For my company, there is only 1 US manufacturer of the type of steel we use and they already didn't have any more capacity. So, all that happened is our cost of steel went up 40% and the companies we compete with out of Mexico and Canada only saw the raw commodity increase of 15%. Thanks Trump. Years later...the situation is EXACTLY the same...only we have tariffs on all kinds of other things we can't source well out of the US. And, of course, China imposed like-for-like tariffs on US goods, hurting US companies ability to export their product to China.
I was wholly opposed to it, but the Inflation Reduction Act and the infrastructure laws passed under Biden are having a much larger impact on moving manufacturing back to the US due to the Buy America and Buy American aspects of the requirements. Which are a total PITA, but is forcing us to tool up suppliers in the US and pay 4-5 times as much for material to comply with the acts. It remains to be seen if we'll get a selling price high enough to make it make sense...but it dang sure isn't going to reduce inflation.
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Amorphous or grain-oriented?***
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Largely CRGO***
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So what do think about the Penn co. getting F'ed ...?***
Mar 4, 2024, 9:37 PM
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Not sure what you're talking about***
Mar 4, 2024, 10:02 PM
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Read an article about it recently... I'll try to find it. Uno momento, por favor***
Mar 4, 2024, 10:08 PM
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Ran across this. Did you get ya sum...? Sounds more like govt. BS.
Mar 4, 2024, 10:40 PM
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https://www.energy.gov/mesc/energy-efficient-transformer-rebates
They barely address transformers. Batteries are the bestest.
P.S. Still looking for the previously mentioned article. It's about a group fighting to maintain their PA mill.
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No, this was a program that offered a gov rebate...
Mar 5, 2024, 7:56 AM
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for upgrading your distribution transformers and/or power transformer(s) if you own your own substation to a more efficient (meaning less losses) unit.
We don't produce that kind of transformer and we did not take advantage of the program for the transformers feeding our factories.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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people hate leftists commies - so does Trump.
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At least you're admitting it's about hate.******
Mar 3, 2024, 9:09 AM
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That's what you've been accusing all along... Happy?***
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He's the one who admitted it right here in this thread....
Mar 3, 2024, 8:46 PM
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At least he's being honest. Many of you are not.
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You're the one who initiated all the "hate"... Count the posts. I won't bother.***
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Simple... The Republican voting base (which is no longer dominated by Republican
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Inc. apparatchiks) have been left with one of two choices; vote for Trump or the Republican Inc. poster girl of the month. The Republican voting base may not be "all in" for Trump but they absolutely abhor Republican Inc. and that is why Trump is waltzing his way to the Republican Primary win.
I'm sure Nikki Haley is a fine woman on a personal level, but she has always been in the Republican Inc. camp. Her political career is a product of working within the Republican Inc. apparatus and she has truly never left their ranks.
Recently Nikki's been trying to sell the "I'm not the "Republican Elites" candidate but her rhetoric, actions and donor money say otherwise. She completely lost any hope she had of getting my primary vote when she went on SNL (a group that has bashed conservatives for decades) and snuggled up to a bunch of NY Democratic donors in private fundraising dinners. Only a Republican Inc. shill would pull that kind of garbage.
I personally don't like Trump and don't want Trump but will not vote for another Republican Inc. candidate so long as I have a choice of other Republican candidates. And before you anti-Trump headcases sound off - I cast a meaningless vote for DeSantis in the primary because he was the candidate I liked most and was still on the ballot even though he dropped out of the race. But yes - if (more like when at this point) Trump wins the Republican nomination I will vote for him in the General election because to vote for ANY Democrat for Federal office, in this day and age, is to vote for policies with which I disagree with some being outright insane.
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I think for the average Trumper, your explanation was the norm in 2016....
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Maybe even the same in 2020.
But it's different now. We've seen the corruption of Trump. We've seen the multiple felonies. We've seen him try to overturn an election. And he's said himself that this 2nd term will be about revenge.
So, while your explanation explains YOU, it doesn't come close to explaining the vast majority of the Red Hats.
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If you think that Democratic corruption is any less than Trump corruption -
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then we simply will never see eye to eye on things. The Democrat rot and corruption runs just as deep if not deeper because they have spent years constructing and running the majority of the DC eco-system with the assistance of Republican Inc. The current DC eco-system, with it's politicization, propaganda, and red-tape grip on everything it touches is among the most corrupt in our nation's history.
That being the case, I'm of the opinion that anyone who votes for a candidate based on ANYTHING other than a candidates stated and/or observed policy positions/implementations is a moron. To think ANY candidate for the Presidency, particularly in this day and age, is some paragon of moral virtue that is beyond the crooked games it takes to make it through the ranks of today's two Party DC eco-system is to be greatly deceived. In the words of Pappy Boyington - "Show me a hero and I'll show you a bum."
Those who vote for Trump based on his cult of personality are stupid. Likewise - those who vote for Biden simply because they hate Trump are every bit as stupid as the Trump drones you like to disparage.
If you agree more with Trump's demonstrated/espoused policies - let that be the reason you vote for him. If you agree more with Biden's demonstrated/espoused policies - let that be the reason you vote for him.
But if you aren't making voting decisions based on actual policy - then you are buying into the very deceptive tangential issue BS the establishment Political eco-system has been selling for years that has gotten us into the financial/over-bearing central Government controlled shidhole we are in today.
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Re: I think for the average Trumper, your explanation was the norm in 2016....
Mar 5, 2024, 7:36 AM
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He hasn’t been convicted of any felonies, other presidents have questioned elections and asked for recounts. He was way more vocal about it. With good reason. I go to bed at 2am on election night and Trump is firmly in the lead for Michigan, with over 90% of the vote counted. Then wake up the next morning and Joe Biden is winning by almost 3%. So the election workers pulled an all nighter? Never heard of that. From 2am to 7am, somehow Michigan found enough votes for Biden to flip the state. I have never seen anything like that in any other election.
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Re: I think for the average Trumper, your explanation was the norm in 2016....
Mar 10, 2024, 12:20 PM
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He has openly admitted to felonies, but claims the immunity of a dictator. There is no disputing he’s a criminal.
For the bird brains, there might be a debate on if he’s a traitor to the country. Anybody with an IQ over 70 knows he is a traitor, and those who still choose to vote for him must be the worst kind of trash. If you have some idiotic, shit-eating argument that “the democrats are just as corrupt,” do yourself, the country, and the rest of the world a favor by not voting. A vote for Trump is a vote for Russian hegemony, an end to NATO, and the end of America as a democracy.
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No, Republicans are absolutely all in for Trump.
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They worship him. Has nothing to do with his policies either, because you could have had those without the man by voting Desantis. But they didn’t, they voted for Trump because he is their savior, and they love the person more than any policy stance.
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he's not a politician and his #### the establishment resonates
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with a lot of people
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Re: he's not a politician and his #### the establishment resonates
Mar 3, 2024, 6:06 PM
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Yep, during the 60s the liberals said "f" the establishment and now that they are in power, they hate that Trump supporters are returning the favor.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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The same question could be asked of the obviously intellectually superior Biden voters?
Dems have another choice in Dean Phillips who is well spoken, young and without a doubt mentally competent.
Nonetheless, Dems are overwhelmingly voting for a man who is obviously not on his game, who is told who he can take questions from and when he can answer questions.
So bask in the intelligence of supporting Biden over a capable center left person who is his own man.
Bask in choosing unknown people behind the curtains to run the country.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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Financially speaking, I was way better off when Trump was in office. The border crisis is undeniable and it all happened because of Bidens policies. Under Trump we weren’t involved in any wars.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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In an attempt to counter your clear and obvious truths, be prepared to read the most tortured responses from the TDS crowd.
Cue the ‘Trump is Hitler’ chorus.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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You are a very rare case. Overwhelming majority of the country is financially better off now than they were four years ago under Trump or eight years ago under Obama. Just an obvious effect of growth since the great recession and the very, very liberal policies of the Fed regarding the money supply.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
Mar 11, 2024, 8:17 AM
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If you have a 401k with any substantial balances then I agree that you're likely better off than 2020 and MUCH better off than 2016. However do you know that most people have either no 401k whatsoever or a very modest balance if they do? Those people are indisputably worse off than four years ago due to the rampant inflation, with which their wages have not kept pace. Now I do agree you can't lay all of the inflationary woes at Bidens feet but we can't pretend they don't exist for many poor and middle class people who aren't enjoying the stock market rise.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
Mar 11, 2024, 9:34 PM
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You, dear lady, are very, very wrong. Wage growth has exceeded inflation for the last three years. Even with the high inflation in 2022. Social Security increases are based directly on the CPI, so they have at least kept pace.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
Mar 11, 2024, 10:11 PM
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Very very really? Perhaps, but if you think most hourly (poor) peoples raises over the last three years have outpaced inflation then you're mistaken. And as far as that goes, try asking some old people who are living entirely on SS if their benefits have kept pace with actual inflation, not the CPI fantasy we all hear about. Good luck finding any poor old people who have more disposable income than they did three years ago although I will grant you they have fared better than the working poor who, believe it or not, don't get CPI adjustments every year.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
Mar 11, 2024, 10:36 PM
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What in the world do you think actual inflation is? CPI is based on a typical household breakdown of expenses. You aren’t basing inflation on the price of crack, are you?
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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To be fair, if you choose the middle of 2022 as a biased basis, it looks like wages were not keeping up. That's because wage increases lag both inflation (indirectly) and the the labor shortage (directly). Wage increases in late 2022 and 2023 were large in order to get people to take or change jobs in a very tight labor market.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
Mar 4, 2024, 11:05 PM
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Because the Supreme Court says they can.
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Re: Can someone please help me understand why so many people are voting for Trump
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It’s just like previous fascist movements. Most people now in the thrall of Trumpism will eventually regret it.
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Maybe it's all about a change from the "thralls of authoritarian Marxism"...***
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(Maybe) the dumbest thing being said in this thread by his worshippers
Mar 5, 2024, 7:25 AM
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Is that Trump "isn't a politician". The man is absolutely the definition of one.
He's just their brand of "non-politician" because he's an ### hole like them and hates the same people they hate.
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