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Preach the message not the messenger.***
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
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Jan 7, 2024, 3:36 PM
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I thought ours did pretty well today. No "gems" but definitely something I would call a head scratcher.
He said "if God told you that your grand military plan to take down Jericho was a "marching band", would you just trust that plan? or would you have some doubts?" Um.. would I think it was a strange plan? Sure... would I trust the plan if God himself told me? Unequivocally yes. Why wouldn't I? I would have sufficient evidence he existed at that point, that's the only blocker for me in the first place. If I knew he existed, of course I would do what he said.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
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Jan 7, 2024, 5:53 PM
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That was pretty much the gist of the message today. Trust what “god” says period.
The million dollar question is how do you know he said it?
And then of course its not about facts but faith…
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You should pray for him.***
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Re: You should pray for him.***
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Jan 10, 2024, 7:44 PM
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Hmm, no answer. Might not be home.
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How can I respond to something other than a straightforward question?
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:55 AM
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That's a straightforward question. Maybe it's better asked as, 'Why should I respond to something given second hand which does not ask a question?'
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Re: How can I respond to something other than a straightforward question?
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Jan 11, 2024, 12:15 PM
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I was referring to the prayer. Got no answer, they must not be home.
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Re: You should pray for him.***
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Jan 10, 2024, 8:07 PM
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I was taught that god was always speaking through the man in the pulpit.
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Christians are required to read God's Word and weigh everything according...
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Jan 11, 2024, 11:01 AM
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to what it says. If you're looking for what I believe you've simply to ask me. Trolling for someone to contest what you say your preacher said isn't going to work on me.
Ask your question straight up, I don't know your preacher and I'm not sure you listened closely enough to accurately report what he said. I will respond to your questions, I always have and am without reason not to do so.
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Re: Christians are required to read God's Word and weigh everything according...
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My question is the same for you and the preacher….How do you know it’s gods word?
To me it’s ridiculous that someone gets paid $100,000 a year to stand up in front of a congregation of hundreds and tell lies.
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Re: Christians are required to read God's Word and weigh everything according...
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Jan 12, 2024, 7:18 PM
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Seems more ridiculous that somone would spend their time listening to things they had concluded were lies. If you're convinced they are lies, why do you bother?
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Re: Christians are required to read God's Word and weigh everything according...
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My wife makes me go.
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Re: Christians are required to read God's Word and weigh everything according...
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Jan 13, 2024, 9:52 PM
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We see who wears the pants in your family.
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Re: Christians are required to read God's Word and weigh everything according...
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I go for my wife and kids so I can be with them, and if it wasn’t for the fundamentalism I might could embrace it.
Unfortunately it’s not about loving your neighbor, it’s about being “right”.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
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Sounds like the preacher is the fool.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 13, 2024, 9:55 PM
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Sounds like you are blinded. Until I embraced Calvinism, I struggled with how some could be so hard of heart. If you are not elect, you will not understand, believe, nor embrace The Gospel.
"The fool saith in his heart there is no God."
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 9:44 AM
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>Until I embraced Calvinism
This is a truly funny statement.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 10:10 AM
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There is limited free agency in Calvinism.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 10:38 AM
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Expand on that.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Outside hyper Calvinism, we have limited ability to make choices, but we do not have freedom to choose regarding salvation.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 11:45 AM
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ok, so with that clarification in mind this sentence is still nonsensical:
"Sounds like you are blinded. Until I embraced Calvinism, I struggled with how some could be so hard of heart. If you are not elect, you will not understand, believe, nor embrace The Gospel."
You can't blame someone for being "blinded" about something they can't choose.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 1:03 PM
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They are guilty of the blame regardless.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 14, 2024, 1:56 PM
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Guilty for something you can't choose, that's lovely.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 15, 2024, 8:56 PM
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I have never heard Calvinism explained in a way that makes sense. I'm not suggesting it can't be explained, I've just never heard a rational explanation for how God ordaines all that comes to pass (the good and the bad), yet man is responsible for his actions, despite the inability to do otherwise.
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Re: There is one, should you want it.
Jan 15, 2024, 9:42 PM
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And yet, that’s what it says
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Re: You should pray for him.***
Jan 14, 2024, 10:43 AM
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You should learn to discern between the Word of the Lord and the word of the church.
As for how much they are paid, remember- All churches serve many purposes outside of pissing you off with their take on the Bible.
There are people paying $500 a month to stretch… by comparison it doesn’t seem like a big deal to me.
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I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
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Jan 13, 2024, 1:38 AM
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you are a member of Westboro Baptist Church, independent and not affiliated with SB Association.
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Nope. Southern Baptist church.
Do you not agree with his statements?
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I'm not getting in a second hand argument. You guys know what I believe.
I will say this: I know a lot of things which aren't in the Bible. It's not a math or science book. It's about two covenants between God and man and the history of the people who God made those covenants with. It tells us all we need to know and we ought to know we need all it says.
What you ought to know today is that Jesus loves you, He died so the last of those two covenants could fulfill God's voluntary obligation to save you. Your thinking that the Bible is nonsense does not change the fact that God loves you and will save your soul if you will accept these facts.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 13, 2024, 6:11 PM
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>What you ought to know today is that Jesus loves you, He died so the last of those two covenants could fulfill God's voluntary obligation to save you.
Don't you think if he existed and wanted us to know that we would? So either he doesn't exist, or he doesn't want us to know.
>Your thinking that the Bible is nonsense does not change the fact that God loves you and will save your soul if you will accept these facts.
"facts", if they were facts you could demonstrate that, but you don't, you invoke faith. You can arrive at ANY belief on faith.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 14, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Sermon was titled “In the Beginning”.
Basically an apologetic defense of the biblical account of creation and worldview.
The words “truth” and “facts” were used extensively…of course we know those terms do not apply.
All the evidence we have, which is all we can go by, points away from Genesis….
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 15, 2024, 6:23 PM
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No it does not point away from Genesis.
Just in my lifetime evolution science has gone from millions of years to billions of years.
You remember Darwin said origin of the species hinged on a simplistic cell structure?
Is DNA simple? The thing Darwin said would disprove his theory if proven, has been proven. It has been proven on a magnitude that vastly surpasses his requirement he set forth.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 15, 2024, 6:55 PM
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I think it’s funny that you think what Darwin has to say about anything matters. He barely knew anything compared to what we do today.
He had the basics down but he was missing a lot of data. The dude didn’t even know DNA existed or the extent to which the fossil record existed. It’s remarkable he got as far as he did.
But your statement just shows pure ignorance as if the science has stayed exactly the same since his time.
You guys are so dishonest on this subject its unreal.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 15, 2024, 7:01 PM
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I see evolution science as dishonest. It continually moves the goal posts. Millions years to billions of years.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 15, 2024, 7:24 PM
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Updating our knowledge with new data isn't moving the goal post.
That's like saying, oh we realize that the movement of the planets are better explained by Einstein's equations vs Newtons, goal posts have moved! That's insanity and is exactly what you are suggesting is happening here.
>I see evolution science as dishonest
Also, it's not "evolution science", it's just science.
I don't want to hear any dishonest claims from creationist as dishonest claims is pretty much all they do.
The data show that all life evolved gradually over time from a common ancestor. The people who deny it never use data, they just don't like that it disagrees with their religion.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 15, 2024, 8:13 PM
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The Data conveniently gets reinterpreted different ways. I still want to see some proof that life came from material that had never lived. There still is no good "data" to tell us where the material came from. Something does not come from nothing.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
Jan 15, 2024, 9:43 PM
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Ok but that’s not something evolution covers, you’re talking about abiogenesis.
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Re: I've thought about this off and on since you posted it and concluded that...
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I think the problem with these discussions is that christian folks are coming from the perspective that the non believer is automatically an atheist. Personally I think there is something outside that natural world. If you want to call it god ok.
All I'm saying is that there is no evidence for the biblical account, or even any evidence that the original writer was meaning to give a literal account of the beginnings of the universe.
Maybe we have it wrong in regards to evolution, that doesn't make the christian worldview true.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
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Jan 13, 2024, 9:51 PM
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It is "The theory of evolution", not "the law of evolution".
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 14, 2024, 9:47 AM
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So let me get this straight, you are a college graduate and don't know what a scientific theory is?
You think it means "theory" as in the colloquial usage don't you...
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
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Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 AM
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I know exactly what theory means.
Theory of evolution.
Theory of relativity.
Law of gravity.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 14, 2024, 10:35 AM
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so, let's test your honestly here, because you actually don't know what a scientific theory means. Scientific theories don't become laws, this isn't the legal system where bills become law for example.
A scientific theory is at the same level as a law in science, they are two different things.
This will take just a few minutes, go look up what a scientific theory means and report back and we'll see if you are an honest person.
It baffles me what you think the theory of gravity means then?
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 14, 2024, 10:52 AM
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“ A scientific theory cannot become a scientific fact, just as no explanation (theory) could ever become a description (law). Scientists begin with a hypothesis, which is a guess of what might happen, and when the hypothesis is investigated, they follow a line of reasoning and eventually formulate a theory. Once a theory has been tested thoroughly and accepted, it becomes a scientific law.”
How old is the earth?
How long has man been on the earth?
Is it possible for the Big Bang THEORY and God to both exist?
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 14, 2024, 10:56 AM
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Right, a scientific theory never becomes a scientific law.
We agree on this yes?
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Let me help you out here.
Jan 14, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Jump to the end… “Once a theory has been tested thoroughly and accepted, it becomes a scientific law.”
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Re: Let me help you out here.
Jan 14, 2024, 11:06 AM
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That is not a scientific theory. Let me ask you a question: were you home schooled?
Scientific theories do not become scientific laws, they are two different things.
Show me the source of that text and ill help you.
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Re: Let me help you out here.
Jan 14, 2024, 12:37 PM
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Are you still in school?
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Re: Let me help you out here.
Jan 14, 2024, 12:48 PM
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lol, you simply won’t admit you are wrong. Classic.
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Re: Let me help you out here.
Jan 14, 2024, 1:04 PM
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Where am I wrong?
You have no idea what I think! I haven’t said anything about the subject. I left a quote and asked questions that remain unanswered!
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Re: Let me help you out here.
Jan 14, 2024, 1:27 PM
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then, because it sure seems like you were saying that scientific theories become law.
so is that what you think?
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Jan 14, 2024, 4:25 PM
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the definition of 'theory,' and 'law,' has changed.
Traditionally, science demanded that a theory which could be tested in a lab (controlled) conditions, resulting in observed, successful test 100% of the time would establish that theory as a law.
With that in mind one can understand why evolution was considered a theory and such as gravity, thermodynamics and Newtons theories of motion are considered laws.
To date, evolution has not been reproduced in any conditions, neither controlled nor has it been observed though much 'evidence,' is presented.
Reckon why the definition of theory has evolved? It's actually become a law. When any contest is made on the theory of evolution, definitions mutate to support a presupposed conclusion.
I wouldn't be surprised if the definitions in science taught in the previous century has been disregarded. Afterall, Darwin 'proved,' man evolved from animal to the 'scientific community/intellectuals,' by presenting the skulls of ~130 Aborginies. I'm guessing his proof and the foundation of evolution is embarrassing for racist.
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Re: From the feedback on this board for the last 10 years I've concluded that...
Jan 14, 2024, 4:46 PM
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>Traditionally, science demanded that a theory which could be tested in a lab (controlled) conditions, resulting in observed, successful test 100% of the time would establish that theory as a law.
Then go read a book and you can learn something.
No they have no changed, they are two different things. In the most simple terms:
Law: What
Theory: Why
>With that in mind one can understand why evolution was considered a theory and such as gravity, thermodynamics and Newtons theories of motion are considered laws.
There is the theory of gravity too! It explains why it works the way it does.
>To date, evolution has not been reproduced in any conditions, neither controlled nor has it been observed though much 'evidence,' is presented.
If that is really how you think, then we can possibly believe the resurrection because you can't reproduce it.
>Reckon why the definition of theory has evolved? It's actually become a law.
It will never become a law because that makes no sense definitionally.
>When any contest is made on the theory of evolution, definitions mutate to support a presupposed conclusion.
No, it's the opposite. Ignorant people claim it's "only a theory" not realizing that a scientific theory a gold standard in science. It does not mean "theory" as it is used colloquially, as in a "hunch" or a "guess".
>I wouldn't be surprised if the definitions in science taught in the previous century has been disregarded. Afterall, Darwin 'proved,' man evolved from animal to the 'scientific community/intellectuals,' by presenting the skulls of ~130 Aborginies. I'm guessing his proof and the foundation of evolution is embarrassing for racist.
You're so dishonest it's unreal.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
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Jan 15, 2024, 8:30 PM
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A scientific theory does not become a law. Scientific theories usually continue to evolve. Laws, though they can be changed with new scientific evidence, seldom are. The theory of evolution is changing almost daily. Many of the new changes refute older suppositions of the theory. Go pick a text book of your choice from the 60s, and most it's claims (that were near universally accepted by science as fact) are totally wrong by today's evidence.
Sixty years from now, 80 percent of today's scientific garbage on evolution will be wrong. The theory not only updates itself, it completely proves claims it once made as fact to be false. Those claims at the time were science, and only "ignorant idiots" refuted them.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 15, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Show me an example. The theory changes almost daily? Good lord dude where do you get your information?
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 16, 2024, 8:23 PM
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The age of the universe and the age of life on earth get older and older and older.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
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Jan 17, 2024, 6:37 AM
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So when we get new information we should just… ignore it?
I’m glad scientists don’t have your mindset, they would he stuck with ancient tradition instead of the modern technology we see today.
Your complaint about science getting closer to the truth isn’t the problem you are trying to make it. Try again buddy.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 9:21 AM
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Good point and if god created us in perfect form why are we gaining MORE knowledge.
Seems like it would be the opposite.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 12:10 PM
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We are gaining knowledge just as He said we would.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 12:12 PM
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If one 60 years ago disagreed with millions of years, he was an idiot. Now it's billions. I have seen theories suggesting 2 plus trillion.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Show me, during any of this time, where the basic claim that evolution by natural selection from a common ancestor has changed.
Also, since you're claiming it, show me where these years keep changing and we can talk about it.
I love how you pick out one thing and ignore the plethora of other evidence pointing in evolutions favor. Dishonestly is all I can think of that explains it at this point.
Also, again, theories keep changing about details around the ressurection. Do you just throw out the resurrection when that happens? No of course you don't. Because the evidence isn't the problem here, it's simply that you don't like that evolution, contradicts your worldview, that's it.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 1:24 PM
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IN the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. No where doe the Bible say how long it was between that and the first day. While the Bible plainly ages man at ~6k years the earth isn't dated.
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Just curious if you believe we were created in our present form just 6,000 years ago, what do you make of the Neanderthals and other species of earlier humans?
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Disease, birth defects and malnutrition may be...
Jan 17, 2024, 7:06 PM
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the actual conditions of those 'stages of man.' I don't expect anyone to change their mind here so I'm ending my part of this foolishness.
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Re: Disease, birth defects and malnutrition may be...
Jan 17, 2024, 8:14 PM
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Fact are foolish. That's a good one! Quick, someone tell Trump lmao
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Re: Preacher threw out some gems today
Jan 17, 2024, 1:42 PM
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ok but hard data ages man at hundreds of thousands of years. We don't believe doctors, who less than 200 years ago, didn't know sanitation was important, but you believe a document written by people a few millennia ago who claim to know how the heavens and earth were created?
I don't get it, why not go with the actual evidence?
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