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Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 18, 2023, 1:20 AM
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1) The 'ability' to ....
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2) The 'right' to ....
Is there some real clarity as to exactly what the difference is, if any?
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 18, 2023, 1:50 AM
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There is the well known Ron White joke. Alcohol will illuminate the difference. 
According to the Declaration of Independence, a right is one's God-granted claim to a privilege. An ability would then be, imo, a permission granted by secular authority, to one of those rights or to some other privilege.
The First Amendment is a legal recognition of some of our rights. A driver's license is an ability granted by the state.
- If an ability is rescinded (driver's license revoked, building permit denied, etc), no extra legal recourse is due the individual as long the restriction is unbiased (bias would violate the God given right of equality). The individual's desire does not supersede this.
- If a right is rescinded, a person has a moral privilege of disobedience, whatever cost the state or culture would impose. When in the course of human events ...
This is a great question today, I think. Classic liberals understood the distinction very well through the 70's. I dont know about today.
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 18, 2023, 8:20 AM
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I have the ability to obtain employment. I have the ability to get a driver's license. I have the ability to purchase a home.
None of those are rights. No one has to hire me. The government doesn't have to give me a DL if I can't pass their test. No lender has to loan me money if I am not worthy.
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Maybe this is picking at threads...
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Dec 18, 2023, 8:38 AM
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But you have a right to pursue economic trade, travel, property -- but you don't have a right to a job, a right to a car, or a right to house.
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 18, 2023, 1:59 PM
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Another way of looking at it is 'ability' is internal, and 'right' is external. Ability comes from you, right comes from something else, outside of you.
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 19, 2023, 11:00 PM
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So, one could have an ability for which they have no right...or a right for which they have not ability?
Is this possible without partiality?
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 20, 2023, 3:49 AM
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Sure, I have the ability to kill some of my more annoying relatives I'll be around over Christmas, but sadly, I don't have the right too, neither from man nor God. ">
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A man is able to murder, run redlights, pillage...
Dec 23, 2023, 6:00 PM
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but forbidding that is part of our Government's authority. The fact that government can limit that behavior is good evidence that none of those actions are rights for the government can not limit rights.
This isn't a political position, it's a civil position. There's a difference there as well.
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:56 AM
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Completely different.
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
Dec 21, 2023, 8:23 PM
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How so? If there is an ability present does that not infer an inherent right to exercise that ability absent outside interference.
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How long since you murdered someone?
Dec 23, 2023, 6:02 PM
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I'm not talking about spiritual murder, hating them.
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Re: Is there any distinction between these two?
Dec 23, 2023, 7:03 PM
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I have the ability to kill.
Not the right.
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IMO about 95% of religious convos circle around the topic of Free Will
Dec 23, 2023, 7:06 PM
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This one is no different.
Free Will is a simple concept, but complex in application and repercussions.
While it’s been discussed in other threads, it’s well worth a deep dive!
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Oculus Spirit [94487]
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We took a deep dive into that topic and found that...
Dec 23, 2023, 11:41 PM
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considering that God is eternal, the creator of matter, therefor time yet not subject to either time or matter we concluded that we can not fully appreciated the fact and issues due to the limits of our ability to comprehend a being who is not subjected to time.
Those were really good and exhaustive discussions.
BTW, nobody really learned much of anything and nobody changed their minds.
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