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What it takes after loss today....to advance from pool
May 20, 2015, 3:53 PM
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Obviously we must beat Louisville and UNC - PLUS
UNC must beat both FSU and Louisville
AND Louisville must beat FSU.
If Louisville wins tonight - we're done -
Oh - just in case you have missed my oft repeated opinion....
POOL PLAY SUCS
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Re: What it takes after loss today....to advance from pool
May 20, 2015, 3:58 PM
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Pool play sucks if you are not the #1 seed in your pool. Play better in the regular season and you have a lot easier road once you get to pool play.
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If Louisville wins tonight - we're done - not true
May 20, 2015, 4:16 PM
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Not very likely, but
Clemson beats UNC, Louisville 2-1
UNC beats Louisville, FSU 2-1
Louisville beats FSU 1-2
FSU beats Clemson 1-2
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Re: What it takes after loss today....to advance from pool
May 20, 2015, 5:28 PM
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Double elimination is much more exciting because you are in it until you lose twice. If a team who has no chance at a Regional loses the first two days, they may as well mail it in on the last day ( I would probably go home myself ). It's like playing out the bottom of the 9th when you are ahead or being 3 down with 2 holes left to play in golf--why bother?!
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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While I also don't like the pool...
May 20, 2015, 5:33 PM
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...when you step on the field (court, whatever) you play to win. Competitors want to compete, not go home.
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Is this the last year for this pool play crap?
May 20, 2015, 5:36 PM
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I heard the ACC was doing away with it. I was hoping it was dead and gone starting this postseason. Or is Swoffy fighting to keep it around longer?
~JKB
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Orange Blooded [2550]
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seems like we hear this eery season
May 20, 2015, 6:49 PM
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only to return to pool play the following season.
pool play has some advantages, but there is a reason the ACC is the only conference in the country to go to the pool play. i think the big 12 had it for a while then saw the error in their ways.
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110%er [5116]
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well I'd like to hear the advantages - other than the Tourny
May 20, 2015, 7:47 PM
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gets over quicker.
put the 10 qualifiers in - do the bracket - only adds one day if the losing bracket wins the first game vs the winners bracket.
makes NO Sense at all -
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Re: well I'd like to hear the advantages - other than the Tourny
May 20, 2015, 7:57 PM
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> gets over quicker.
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> put the 10 qualifiers in - do the bracket - only adds
> one day if the losing bracket wins the first game vs
> the winners bracket.
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> makes NO Sense at all -
The coaches in the league actually suggested the pool play. It's easier on pitching knowing you play 4 games tops. Rest teams up for regionals. When we used to be a high seed and didn't have to play our way into post season, there weren't as many complaints. JL was one of main backers of pool play.
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110%er [5116]
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i posted the durn article - still stupid -
May 20, 2015, 8:14 PM
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your pitching gets an extra game if you fall into losers bracket in first round. But you only pitching 3 in Pool any dang way - Ace is gonna be back on 3 day rest for Championship game.
Crap - I ain't explaining no more - POOL PLAY SUCS.
U play a tourney to freakin WIN -
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Re: well I'd like to hear the advantages - other than the Tourny
May 20, 2015, 9:27 PM
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The ACC lied to the coaches. Pool play was supposed to have stopped last yr.
May 15, 2014
Durham, N.C. — Sometimes we don’t get what we want. That is the message the ACC has clearly sent the conference’s head baseball coaches.
What the coaches want is a 10-team, double-elimination format for the conference tournament -- and they are not shy about saying so.
“The setup is not good. As coaches, we voted to take it to a 10-team, double-elimination,” said NC State head coach Elliot Avent. “That never came about, I don’t understand it because we passed that a couple years ago.”
“I voted against the format we have now. That’s on the record,” said UNC head coach Mike Fox. “I don’t know how it moved forward if the coaches all voted against it. There are too many coaches that voted against it.”
In fact, Fox and Avent are correct. The coaches' vote was to change the format back to a traditional double-elimination bracket like the ACC used prior to 2007 (although the field was just eight teams in 2006).
The problem, however, is that the ACC’s governing structure -- the Senior Woman Administrators, the Athletic Directors, and the Faculty Academic Representatives -- doesn’t have to listen to them. And they are not.
Prior to the 2014 expansion of the ACC baseball tournament that introduced two play-in games just to reach an 8-team pool play, the ACC coaches “came to a consensus to alter the current format… the committees above them did not agree, however, and voted to remain with the pool format,” said an ACC spokesperson.
But why? If the people on the field – actually playing and coaching the games – can all agree on something (which is of course no small feat in itself), why would the people that will never see the field get in the way of that?
“Obviously, pool play allows for some really good matchups and allows for some good matchups to be put on the field that are very fan-friendly and very TV friendly,” Duke head coach Chris Pollard said, “Our game times become more predictable.”
Durham, N.C. — Sometimes we don’t get what we want. That is the message the ACC has clearly sent the conference’s head baseball coaches.
What the coaches want is a 10-team, double-elimination format for the conference tournament -- and they are not shy about saying so.
“The setup is not good. As coaches, we voted to take it to a 10-team, double-elimination,” said NC State head coach Elliot Avent. “That never came about, I don’t understand it because we passed that a couple years ago.”
“I voted against the format we have now. That’s on the record,” said UNC head coach Mike Fox. “I don’t know how it moved forward if the coaches all voted against it. There are too many coaches that voted against it.”
In fact, Fox and Avent are correct. The coaches' vote was to change the format back to a traditional double-elimination bracket like the ACC used prior to 2007 (although the field was just eight teams in 2006).
The problem, however, is that the ACC’s governing structure -- the Senior Woman Administrators, the Athletic Directors, and the Faculty Academic Representatives -- doesn’t have to listen to them. And they are not.
Prior to the 2014 expansion of the ACC baseball tournament that introduced two play-in games just to reach an 8-team pool play, the ACC coaches “came to a consensus to alter the current format… the committees above them did not agree, however, and voted to remain with the pool format,” said an ACC spokesperson.
But why? If the people on the field – actually playing and coaching the games – can all agree on something (which is of course no small feat in itself), why would the people that will never see the field get in the way of that?
“Obviously, pool play allows for some really good matchups and allows for some good matchups to be put on the field that are very fan-friendly and very TV friendly,” Duke head coach Chris Pollard said, “Our game times become more predictable.”
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/despite-coaches-demands-acc-not-budging-on-baseball-tourney-format/14648715/
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110%er [5116]
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excellent link - that 'fan friendly" thing is really working
May 20, 2015, 9:38 PM
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given the 1500 that showed up through 3 games.
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Re: What it takes after loss today....to advance from pool
May 20, 2015, 8:19 PM
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It don't matter anyways UNC taking that W tonight already up 1-0 after the 1st
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Ummm we're still alive
May 20, 2015, 11:02 PM
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We win out and FSU loses out then we tie UL at 2-1 and own the tiebreaker head to head. Tomorrow is a big day. If the 2 games go our way then we have a decent shot although if UL plays FSU after we play UNC then whey may just mail it in-- that's the biggest fault if the pool play. Crucial games involving an unmotivated team
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CU Medallion [54115]
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I say, in the future, they just take the fattest guy on each
May 20, 2015, 8:21 PM
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team, make him chug 3 Mooseheads and do the izzy dizzy bat race. It would be just as legit and you could save all that time!
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110%er [5116]
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makes sense to me.***
May 20, 2015, 8:26 PM
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Only justification for pool play
May 20, 2015, 11:08 PM
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Is shortening the tournament....which doesn't make sense because the players are between semesters anyway. What else do they have to do but play baseball?
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