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So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
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So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:12 AM
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Biden. 2 questions.
1. Is that true, or just leftist media spin?
2. If it is true, and you don't want Biden to be president, would we be better off with Nikki, or are she and Biden equally bad for Americal, leaving Trump as the only acceptable option, even if a vote for him means a Biden victory?
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One more question:
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:17 AM
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Why is so much big time leftist money flowing to Haley if the Democrats want to run against Trump so badly?
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Re: So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
Feb 24, 2024, 9:19 AM
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democrats are lining up to vote for haley
democrats are trying to financially destroy and throw trump in jail
not sure why you cant see it
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I'm not sure I disagree with any of that.
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:51 AM
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But it's not because they want Nikki, it's because they hate Trump's guts.
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Re: I'm not sure I disagree with any of that.
Feb 24, 2024, 10:00 AM
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The "why" doesn't really matter. I do think even as a No Labels candidate she'd still win, mostly because a bridge candidate would be especially attractive to voters this cycle.
Trump's also in the process of messing up large, IMHO. He's going to appoint his cronies - probably including Lara Trump - to the RNC, seemingly mostly so he can pilfer their coffers for his legal fees. This isn't just going to kill I don't know how many candidates down-ballot, but it'll also give Nikki all the cover she needs to proclaim the RNC "irretrievably corrupt" and jump ponies.
Keep in mind, in a three-way race, she doesn't need 51% of the vote to win. She probably needs about 35% from the GOP, and the same from Dems. And I think she's got that, probably a little more, especially once she clobbers Joe Biden on a debate stage and Donald starts getting convicted of stuff. And Donald is going to start getting convicted of stuff; losing in horrific fashion in court is sort of a baked-in feature with the guy at this point. As those pile up, the more radioactive he's going to get, IMHO.
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Not to ignore the rest of your post, but one thing
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Feb 24, 2024, 10:22 AM
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Jumps out—-Joe ain’t debating anyone.
They could roll out Hector Salamanca as his opponent, with only a bell to answer questions, and Joe would beg off the debate.
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Feb 24, 2024, 10:29 AM
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Re: Not to ignore the rest of your post, but one thing
Feb 24, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Jumps out—-Joe ain’t debating anyone.
They could roll out Hector Salamanca as his opponent, with only a bell to answer questions, and Joe would beg off the debate.
Would Joe bother to straighten his tie should Joe take on Hector and of course lose?
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Trump has no support from independents, IMHO...
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:29 AM
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And less with moderate Conservatives. That's the difference, IMHO.
Haley can carry the moderate Rs, Ds and independents in the general election. Trump can't.
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For Trump the suburban female vote is more important
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:38 AM
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Than the independent vote I think, and that’s probably where Haley polls a lot better.
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Re: For Trump the suburban female vote is more important
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:51 AM
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I do think it's both, but yeah, especially the women. The prevailing wisdom is the black vote is what got Trump beat in Georgia, but the black vote has always gone against the R in Georgia and the needle there didn't really move at all. What a postmortem dive on the numbers apparently said was, it was the generally-Republican-leaning soccer moms in the 'burbs who did Trump in. They can't stand him.
I personally don't see how that's a vote he ever gets back, especially given how hot the abortion issue is, and Alabama didn't exactly help things by essentially banning IVF. And especially considering Donald got found liable for sexual battery in the E. Jean Carroll case. So that wedge has probably if anything gotten even worse.
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If someone bases their vote on the Carroll case, they're clueless to begin with***
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Feb 24, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Re: For Trump the suburban female vote is more important
Feb 24, 2024, 12:36 PM
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IF Nikki had hoped to pull some moderate dems, I think coming out in support of the IVF ruling was a mistake. Maybe it was a an attempt to capture some of Trumps evangelical base, but I think they are so entrenched in MAGA, she wasn’t going to get their vote anyway. I hope that’s all it was…an attempt to appeal to evangelicals…because if she truly believes fertilized eggs should be considered babies, then I’d have to go in search of another candidate not named DJT.
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Which was the premise of my original post.***
Feb 24, 2024, 10:14 AM
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Re: Which was the premise of my original post.***
Feb 24, 2024, 10:21 AM
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dazed and confused
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I certainly agree that Biden is.
Feb 24, 2024, 10:40 AM
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But that still doesn't address or answer my original question(s).
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Re: I certainly agree that Biden is.
Feb 24, 2024, 10:43 AM
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you are being lied to by demcrats
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Give me an example, based on my original question here.***
Feb 24, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Re: So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:44 AM
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I think Nikki will defeat Trump as either a Republican, or she will defeat him as No Labels. I think she had prefer to be the Republican nominee, but I also think she knows she may still be running for President if she does not receive the Pub nomination.
I don't know if she would win as a No Labels, but she would most assuredly defeat Trump and make a very good showing for a new party in its first Presidential election.
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Thats pretty bold. Cant say I see her
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Feb 24, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Pulling in more votes than either of them under no labels, but I could almost guarantee she’d split the Pub vote significantly, Ross Perot style, virtually guaranteeing a Biden win.
I think this is why money keeps flowing to her from the left.
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As a former Perot voter... at least I tried. He's what we need now.***
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Feb 24, 2024, 10:06 AM
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P.S. Still got my one-off baseball jersey-cut T-shirt.
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Youll get no disagreement here.***
Feb 24, 2024, 10:13 AM
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Re: Thats pretty bold. Cant say I see her
Feb 24, 2024, 10:24 AM
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I'm thinking in a General, she could pull a significant portion of the young vote.
I think she could pull 25 percent of the vote. I could be completely wrong about this, and based on my recent history of political prognostication, I probably am.
You could also probably pull the useful idiot vote - A woman of co, co color (and one that doesn't seem to be impressed by that sort of thing).
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Re: (Sorry this reply was to your 25% post p6)***
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Feb 24, 2024, 11:09 AM
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I didn't think you were talking to yourself.
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Re: So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
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Feb 24, 2024, 11:12 AM
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Many states have sore loser laws which would make it extremely problematic for Nikki or anyone else who mounted a primary challenge and failed, to subsequently run as 3rd Party candidate.
There is debate about the constitutionality of Sore Loser laws, but even ballot access expert Richard Winger, (man--#### Winger-that's unfortunate), who thinks this could be successfully challenged, believes that TX sore loser laws WOULD apply.
Nikki doesn't have a path to get on enough state ballots to be successful, particularly if TX is off the map.
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Re: So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
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Feb 24, 2024, 1:46 PM
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For some reason, someone doesn't want Trump on the ballot against Biden. I voted in the Republican Primary in Six Mile today and heard the lady checking IDs tell a person in line, they had 22 total voters for the Democratic Primary and they were approaching 600 today by 1 PM.
That means there are a lot of Republicans in Six Mile, the advertisements for Democrats to go vote for Haley are working, or Trump supporters want to send a message.
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Re: So, Nikki Haley can't beat Trump, Trump can't beat Biden, but Nikki can beat
Feb 24, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Pickens County is strongly Republican. Pickens County is strongly Trump country. Pickens County is 89% white, the whitest county in the state.
I’m only surprised there were 22 Dems that showed up for the Dem primary.
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