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Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 3, 2016, 11:17 PM
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He's the only one who has a proven track record. Just curious
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 3, 2016, 11:18 PM
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Sorry I posted this in the wrong forum but I can't move it
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 3, 2016, 11:23 PM
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Delete and move it
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 3, 2016, 11:37 PM
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Because he is a Milquetoast Establishment Moderate.
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What makes him a moderate exactly?...
Mar 4, 2016, 11:00 AM
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his strong views on national defense and foreign policy or his proven record of being fiscally conservative (and leading to the last balance federal budget)?
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Embracing Obamacare, common core, and centralize govt power***
Mar 4, 2016, 11:09 AM
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He "embraced obamacare"?...
Mar 4, 2016, 11:21 AM
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are you talking about his expansion of medicare in his state? You know that isn't the same thing, right?
What part of this do you disagree with?
https://johnkasich.com/healthcare/
His views on education:
https://johnkasich.com/education/
I'd be willing to bet that you hate the term "Common Core", but that you don't really understand what it is. Anyways, in Ohio, Kasich has a record of pushing control for education down the local level. Look into it and see for yourself.
Give me some examples of his support for more centralized power for the federal government?
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He is not for eliminating the Dept of Education, IRS and EPA
Mar 4, 2016, 11:28 AM
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And I do understand common core. My wife is a lifelong Dem and she is vehemently against it too
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So I guess Reagan was a milktoast moderate too...
Mar 4, 2016, 11:30 AM
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I would love to see the Dept of Education and IRS eliminated...but not holding that exact position does not make one a moderate.
But again...please direct me to the moderate portions of his positions that I linked.
Thanks
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Reagan campaigned on eliminating the Dept of Education
Mar 4, 2016, 11:37 AM
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And yes, having clear policy positions to stop ever expanding Federal programs makes you moderate.
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meant to say "NOT" having clear positions***
Mar 4, 2016, 11:40 AM
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Sure...but he never did it...or tried seriously to do it...
Mar 4, 2016, 2:29 PM
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that make him a moderate.
I'm still waiting for those specific examples in Kasich's policies that make him a moderate.
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Re: Sure...but he never did it...or tried seriously to do it...
Mar 4, 2016, 5:49 PM
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General fund spending has risen by 18 percent since Kasich's first full fiscal year as governor, according to Nicole Kaeding of the libertarian Cato Institute. Kaeding points out that nationwide, state general fund spending rose by only 12 percent during the same timeframe.
General fund spending has risen by 18 percent since Kasich's first full fiscal year as governor, according to Nicole Kaeding of the libertarian Cato Institute. Kaeding points out that nationwide, state general fund spending rose by only 12 percent during the same timeframe.
It's worth noting that Kasich pledged not to raise taxes and has kept that promise, according to Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform. "Kasich signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge and he kept it," Norquist told the Washington Examiner. "All his tax proposals were net tax cuts."
That doesn't mean his tax record is perfectly conservative, though. Kasich tried to raise taxes on businesses, shale gas and cigarettes. Ideally, those taxes would not have been singled out for increases, and a revenue-neutral sales tax hike would have replaced them.
As he runs for president, Kasich says he's working with Steve Forbes on proposing a flat income tax. "It's simpler, it's flatter — I look at distribution tables — and if you don't like it, you can keep the current system, which is really appealing to me," Kasich said in May.
If Kasich prefers the flat income tax, how come he didn't give one to the people of Ohio? The state's income tax has nine tax brackets.
Obamacare
Also from the Washington Examiner
As governor, Kasich expanded Medicaid through Obamacare in Ohio. The expansion has been more than $1 billion over budget in the year-and-a-half since it took effect.
Now that he's running for president, Kasich is emphasizing how much he wants to repeal Obamacare. "I don't support Obamacare," Kasich has said. "I want to repeal it." Kasich defends his support for Medicaid expansion and simultaneous opposition to Obamacare by insisting that he just wanted to "bring Ohio money back home."
My Examiner colleague Philip Klein explains why that's a lousy defense. "Repealing Obamacare would repeal the Medicaid expansion," Klein has written. "As it is, Medicaid is crippling state budgets and is among the largest state expenditures."
Education
Kasich supports Common Core, which are education standards in English and math, even though it is widely opposed by conservatives. Gov. Bobby Jindal, R-La., and Gov. Chris Christie, R-N.J., are also running for president and also once supported Common Core but now oppose it.
Worse yet, Kasich has been lying to audiences about where Common Core came from. "Governors themselves wrote the standards," Kasich said in May.
"Literally, it's not at all true," Neal McCluskey, director of the libertarian Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom, told the Examiner in response back in May. While some governors asked the National Governors Association and Council of Chief State School Officers to draft potential standards, that's where the involvement of governors stopped. There's no evidence governors actually sat down and helped draft the standards.
Still, Kasich is a supporter of school choice, which conservatives generally support. "I'm for choice in education because I think the more competition [there] is among adults to fight for the right to educate our kids, the better our kids do," Kasich said in February 2015, according to Maureen Sullivan, a Forbes contributor.
Repealing Obamacare, a flat income tax and school choice are all conservative policy reforms. But it would be easier for conservatives to trust Kasich on these issues if his record as governor weren't so moderate
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He's not really a moderate, he's just the least conservative
Mar 4, 2016, 12:14 PM
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Outside of Trump, I mean. He also doesn't seem to realize that now is not the time to go easy on Trump.
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Easy answer. The average voter is stupid.***
Mar 3, 2016, 11:33 PM
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Re: Easy answer. The average voter is stupid.***
Mar 3, 2016, 11:41 PM
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He doesn't get the media exposure the others do for some reason. He got my vote.
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"Maybe your[sic] just stupid"...yeah, probably not***
Mar 4, 2016, 9:09 AM
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He lacks charisma
Mar 3, 2016, 11:42 PM
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I like the guy and believe he is the cerebral pick, but worry about his ability to win against Hillary
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He has the BEST chance to beat Hillary, & polls show that***
Mar 4, 2016, 12:51 AM
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He would CRUSH Hillary in the general....
Mar 4, 2016, 11:03 AM
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and polls reflect that...factoring in his lower name recognition nationally, those national polls are probably under-estimating his a good bit too.
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 12:15 AM
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Because everyone in the country is NOT from Ohio. Just a guess.
Would you seriously vote for him? He would be mince meat in a debate with Hillary. There would be no need for Republicans to vote if he were the nominee.
Better guess??
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You are dead wrong, polls consistently show he beats Hillary
Mar 4, 2016, 12:55 AM
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by a bigger margin than any of the others. And, if you have listened to the debates, and not get caught up in the PT Barnum show, you would know Kasich is by far the sensible choice. The strongest ticket the GOP could have is Kasich & Rubio.
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Re: You are dead wrong, polls consistently show he beats Hillary
Mar 4, 2016, 12:58 AM
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If Rubio would change his stance on abortion, I'd consider voting for him.
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Re: You are dead wrong, polls consistently show he beats Hillary
Mar 4, 2016, 9:18 AM
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It's too bad that certain issues like abortion have such an impact on presidential elections because the president has nothing to say about such matters. Any republican will nominate conservative justices so the differences in the various candidates individual beliefs on single issues really have no impact.
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 12:57 AM
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I personally believe he would be able to sway middle voters away from Hillary, whereas I think the middle will all go with Hillary if anyone else is nominated. Rubio's social stance will turn off middle voters, Trump won't get a single minority vote, and Cruz may be the most unlikeable person in the country.
I think Kasich's quiet demeanor could almost be spun as a positive because Hillary is so unlikeable. He's a very moderate Republican, and I think that would help greatly because I think the Democrats are looking for a reason NOT to vote for Hillary.
With all that said, there's no way he gets the nomination. He's doesn't provide enough sound bites to garner enough attention.
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Because nobody cares how he did it in Ohio.***
Mar 4, 2016, 1:23 AM
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Re: Because nobody cares how he did it in Ohio.***
Mar 4, 2016, 6:43 AM
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Do you realize that the Republicans can't win without Ohio?
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can they win without Texas or Florida?***
Mar 4, 2016, 8:22 AM
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Right...track record as an executive is not relevant for...
Mar 4, 2016, 11:01 AM
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becoming President...or his record on balancing the federal budget...or his work on national security.
makes perfect sense
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You may have missed the SC-based humor***
Mar 4, 2016, 12:02 PM
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 1:24 AM
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Maybe because he's a lame duck candidate solely in the race to keep Ohio from Trump so the GOP can weasel their way out of giving the only candidate that has a chance of winning Potus in a general election from winning the nomination.
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 6:48 AM
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Trump can't win POTUS. He only wins the vote of the people that gawk at automobile wrecks while driving down the highways. That is 1 of 3 drivers.
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Yep, you are correct...***
Mar 4, 2016, 8:23 AM
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Because he doesn't spit fire.
Mar 4, 2016, 2:09 AM
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That's what Republican voters obviously demand. His record in office is quite conservative though - staunchly anti-abortion, staunchly anti-union. But his apostasy on accepting Medicaid expansion & his truth-speaking on the matter of deportations are enough to kill any chance he might have had at winning the nomination. That said, he is by a long shot the sanest & best-qualified of all the remaining candidates on the Republican side. Donald Trump is a bull$h!t artist who serves up nothing but bluster. Marco Rubio is an empty suit who if elected would be easily manipulated by ideologues & courtiers. Ted Cruz is a smarmy deceiver, a self-serving manipulator ready to unleash hellfire damnation on the country & the world.
And then there's Hillary, who will say anything to anyone in order to win an election. Nonetheless she's likely to be the next president - as Lindsey Graham said, dishonest beats crazy.
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Because he says he'll be a bi-partisan POTUS
Mar 4, 2016, 4:37 AM
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Republicans want their candidates to be angry blowhards, hence we have Trump.
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He's a sitting Senator...how is that an "outsider"....
Mar 4, 2016, 11:05 AM
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in some sense, Kasich not being in DC currently makes him much more of an "outsider".
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first term... And shown that he doesn't go along with the
Mar 4, 2016, 11:11 AM
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Establishment, pro big govt central planners
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He's clearly dissented against the Senate leadership...
Mar 4, 2016, 11:28 AM
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on some issues...is the THAT the requirement to be an outsider?
He was very active in Bush II campaign and served in his administration in various roles. That doesn't count as being an "insider" I guess.
As an aside, I agree with Cruz on a lot of issues, I just don't think he's our best bet against Clinton. I would easily vote for him in the general, as I would Rubio or Kasich. Trump would be a hard vote to swallow though.
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Cruz is the only viable alternative left, not Rubio
Mar 4, 2016, 11:32 AM
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And Cruz stopped supporting W once he saw how he was veering off the right path.
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LOL...right....
Mar 4, 2016, 11:36 AM
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geez...if anything Bush was MORE moderate during his first term.
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W was a big govt guy, not limited govt conservative***
Mar 4, 2016, 11:38 AM
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And Cruz was a domestic policy and legal adviser...
Mar 4, 2016, 2:30 PM
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for many years...right?
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We are sick of politicians
Mar 4, 2016, 6:52 AM
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dems still love them though
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Because...
Mar 4, 2016, 7:26 AM
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“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.”
? Charles Bukowski
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Re: Because...
Mar 4, 2016, 7:37 AM
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Because it is all about the cult of personality now and...
Mar 4, 2016, 8:19 AM
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Conservatives (which Trump supporters are not) want someone who sticks to their principles and doesn't cut and run when the left threatens to shut the govt down if conservatives don't capitulate. Kasich would go along to get along and manage the decline of the US further into the. socialism drift. Rubio would go along to get along too. He has proven that with the gang of 8 debacle.
Cruz will do EXACTLY what he says he will do and has actually proven he will.
So...
If you are a conservative, there is only one real choice. Cruz.
If you want a center-left dictator, there is only one real choice. Trump.
If you want a centrist go along to get along guy. Kasich.
If you want a center-right go along to get along guy. Rubio.
Enjoy the show. I for one am pulling for Cruz!
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Re: Because it is all about the cult of personality now and...
Mar 4, 2016, 8:31 AM
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A guy who makes commercials with kids making fun of somebody will never get my vote. Cruz is a pos IMO. They all are pretty ######. It's going to be Trump or Hilary so why even discuss?
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It will be Cruz and he will be Prez too... Reagan II***
Mar 4, 2016, 8:32 AM
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Re: It will be Cruz and he will be Prez too... Reagan II***
Mar 4, 2016, 8:34 AM
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How much you tryin to throw on that? Put your money where your mouth is. Trump will no doubt win the Republican.
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I have thrown money on it ????***
Mar 4, 2016, 8:49 AM
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I would agree as long as ######### like Trump don't exploit
Mar 4, 2016, 8:47 AM
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The vacuum it will create
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 8:39 AM
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I'm a Libertarian, so I'll give my objective opinion. First, he is a supporter of Common Core, which is a big hot button issue. He lacks charisma, which the typical GOP'er looks for. While Trump is no conservative, he knows how to throw red meat to his audience. Kasich may be a nice guy and have a decent record as governor, but so did several other candidates and potential candidates. The reality is that the average GOP'er is looking for a strong man to go right all the perceived wrongs done by the previous administration. Notice how the Constitution appears to not even be a consideration to most voters today? That's because it is no longer taught in schools. The only candidate up there that has actually defended the Constitution is Sen Cruz, but the average GOP voter simply doesn't care.
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yep, you are correct... The less educated like Trump which
Mar 4, 2016, 8:52 AM
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Tells you what the real problem is in this country.
If you understand the constitution and the founding principles of this country, Cruz is your guy.
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Re: yep, you are correct... The less educated like Trump which
Mar 4, 2016, 9:10 AM
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If you ask kids and most college kids today what they know about our founders, they will most likely respond that they owned slaves. That's all that is pretty much taught. The candidates that we elect are a true reflection of our country and it's culture.
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Sheer supidity.
Mar 4, 2016, 8:54 AM
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Kasich, as a congressman, worked with the architect of the modern conservative movement, Ronald Reagan. He was a member of the armed services committee under Reagan. He himself was the architect of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. He has been (and is) a Governor, a "CEO". As far a qualifications and experience, nobody on the debate stage can hold a candle to Kasich. Unfortunately, in a race where people are angry and fed up, none of that matters. Instead they prefer a loudmouthed bully who starred in his own reality show. It looks like the people have spoken, and are about to get it good and hard.
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Why is Kasich for dept of education and common core?***
Mar 4, 2016, 8:56 AM
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Why is Cruz incapable of winning a general election?***
Mar 4, 2016, 9:04 AM
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No way in #### Cruz beats Hillary. There aren't
Mar 4, 2016, 9:18 AM
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nearly enough middle-aged white conservative Christians in America anymore. Those days are gone, and any candidate that has a prayer must get votes from a substantial percentage of blacks, latinos, millennials, and social moderates, and very very few of them, rightly or wrongly, by into Cruz.
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Not at all what I'm hearing. I don't know a single
Mar 4, 2016, 9:40 AM
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democrat, moderate, minority, or person under 35 who would vote for Cruz. I know they are out there, but they're are so few it's insignificant, and he will get slaughtered without them.
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They won't vote for Hillary either... So it is a wash***
Mar 4, 2016, 9:42 AM
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this will be an election based on energized bases...
Mar 4, 2016, 9:45 AM
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Hillary is not electable according to 40% of the Dems. They will just sit at home.
Trump is not electable according to 40% of GOP.
Cruz is not electable according to 20% of GOP.
Cruz is our best option.
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Trump is despised by Latinos, minorities and women.
Mar 4, 2016, 9:49 AM
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Trump is getting 16% of the Latino vote. He can't win with those numbers. Given his frequent xenophobic, racist, misogynistic attacks, that percentage will only go down.
Viva Trump!
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Hence why Cruz is the one***
Mar 4, 2016, 9:51 AM
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Cruz is the one candidate that Democrats prefer over Trump
Mar 4, 2016, 9:53 AM
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to be the most beatable candidate the Republicans could nominate.
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Hahaha... Ok, then let's rumble with Cruz-Rubio ticket!***
Mar 4, 2016, 9:58 AM
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They have no shot. Trump is going to win the nomination
Mar 4, 2016, 10:03 AM
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with less than 50% of the Republican primary vote. The unprecedented nastiness of the campaign will result in a large segment of the party sitting on their hands in the general election.
Meanwhile, Latinos, Asians, African Americans, women, et al will be highly motivated by their fear of Trump as president.
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Spoken like a true leftist... I think otherwise... It is ok
Mar 4, 2016, 10:21 AM
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To disagree. I don't harbor ill will towards those who disagree. To each his own. I am just pointing out for those who care about the constitution that the ONLY viable candidate left who is going to respect and uphold the constitution is Cruz.
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Which of my statements do you consider "leftist?"
Mar 4, 2016, 10:25 AM
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That Trump has the nomination locked up?
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That Latinos and other minorities won't vote for Trump?
If you could point me towards some polling that shows otherwise I would be happy to consider it.
Otherwise, it's just a Trump like approach to political discourse.
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this talking point from the left...
Mar 4, 2016, 10:34 AM
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"Only a third of Cuban Americans say they identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. They have shifted dramatically to the left over the last 10 years. Plus, the Hispanic population is generally not fond of Cubans.
Add Cruz's anti-immigrant rhetoric and he would be lucky to get 20% of the Latino vote."
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Those are polling facts. Do you have anything
Mar 4, 2016, 10:42 AM
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other than wishful thinking to support your positions?
Facts don't have a political bias. Why do you think the Republican Party is in full on panic mode as it tears itself apart?
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I think it is long over due for the GOP to bring this chasm
Mar 4, 2016, 10:54 AM
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To a head.
Trump has done the GOP a favor by showing just how idiotic it is to vote out of anger, frustration and rage. When the grassroots rebelled against the establishment GOP, the establishment did not change or listen or respect their base.
W violated many conservative tenets and conservatives were told to shut up because he is your Prez. Then we get the rigged nominations of McCain & Romney. Again, the conservatives, who make up the bulk of the GOP grassroots were told to sit down and shut up.
Educated conservatives are vigilant in their core beliefs and principles. They are not prone to acting stupid and out of rage. However, just like the Dem party, the GOP has a good number of uneducated conservatives too. Trump has become their pied piper.
It is high time the grassroots break the big govt, GOP establishment's grip on the party even if it means killing it completely because the way it is today is worse than no party at all. We need a renewed commitment to conservative values and I am not talking about religious-based, evangelical pushed agenda. I am talking about constitution limits on govt power and protecting individual rights to just say "no thank you" to majority rule.
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I'm not buying it.
Mar 4, 2016, 9:56 AM
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Hillary may be unelectable to 40% of Dems. Cruz may be unelectable to 20% of GOP.
But Cruz is unelectable to nearly 0% of Dems. That's why he doesn't have a prayer.
Dems/libs have the numbers head-to-head; it's a slam dunk. The GOP needs some of their votes and a big swath of left-leaning moderates. The Dems don't need anything but to hold what they already have.
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Actually, Cruz will get decent Latino vote % and some Dems
Mar 4, 2016, 10:01 AM
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Because he is a constitutionalist and a pro free market, anti-DC guy.
Given how many Dems will sit out and how many more avid conservatives will vote, you don't really need true Dems to cross over.
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Cruz is Cuban. Cubans supported Obama over Romney.
Mar 4, 2016, 10:14 AM
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Only a third of Cuban Americans say they identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. They have shifted dramatically to the left over the last 10 years. Plus, the Hispanic population is generally not fond of Cubans.
Add Cruz's anti-immigrant rhetoric and he would be lucky to get 20% of the Latino vote.
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Let's be accurate... Cruz's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT position
Mar 4, 2016, 10:26 AM
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Not anti immigrant position.
You assertions are incorrect. Legal Latino immigrants and Latino descendant citizens favor Cruz and Rubio over either Dem candidate.
If illegals are truly not allowed to vote (as law requires), Cruz gets bulk of that vote.
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You need to convince Latinos, not me. I'm just showing you
Mar 4, 2016, 10:40 AM
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what the polls are overwhelmingly telling us.
The problem for Cruz and Rubio is that, in order to make themselves palatable to Latinos they would have to renounce the Republican anti-immigrant rhetoric and lose whites and alienate the Republican base. Their ethnicity is ONE of the reasons the Republican base won't support them any more than it is and is supporting Trump.
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I am not trying to convince anyone... I am telling you the
Mar 4, 2016, 10:57 AM
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Polls are BS. I have many friends and associates who are legal Latino immigrants. Their personal testimony informs my view, not polls.
Polls are swayed by perception. Once in the general, Cruz-Rubio ticket would tackle that misguided perception.
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Sorry, but your gut feeling is far less of an indicator
Mar 4, 2016, 11:14 AM
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than the hundreds of polls that show otherwise.
Cruz and Rubio aren't winning enough states to get the nomination. Going forward, the Republican primaries are predominantly winner take all which makes the leader at that point the overwhelming favorite to be the nominee.
Cruz/Rubio/Kasich are done.
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Cruz-Rubio ticket indeed wins***
Mar 4, 2016, 11:23 AM
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That doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Mar 4, 2016, 9:31 AM
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None of that matters to the people who voted Obama into office and will vote for Hillary for the same basic reasons; they want somebody who they feel hears their voice. They don't feel that life is fair and they want to know how the government is going to fix that. Cruz is a non-starter in that regard. Kasich won't win over most of that crowd (no republican can), but therein lies the challenge, and Kasich will reach far more of them than Cruz.
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ahhhh... But it does... I already know a lot of solid Dems
Mar 4, 2016, 9:41 AM
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Who will simply not vote for Hillary at this point. They may not vote for Trump or Cruz, but the won't vote for Hillary in no way, shape, form or fashion...
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I do not know a single solitary Democrat that you describe.
Mar 4, 2016, 9:52 AM
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But, just look at the Tigerboard for proof that a predominantly conservative group of Republicans contain a large number of Trump haters. They may not vote for Hillary, but they are not motivated to vote for Trump.
Trump can't unite his own party, much less the general voting public. He will lose in a landslide.
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Re: I do not know a single solitary Democrat that you describe.
Mar 4, 2016, 10:01 AM
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I disagree. I think Trump will get many many Dem votes. He will carry NY, Mich. Pa, NJ and maybe a couple of more blue states. He will destroy Hillary in the debates assuming she isn't in prison. And BTW I did not vote for Trump in my primary.
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Unfortunately for you, there is no factual basis for your
Mar 4, 2016, 10:04 AM
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assertion.
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Trump will be crucified in the general and won't win even SC
Mar 4, 2016, 10:18 AM
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Watch... I am telling you, he is the biggest charlatan you have ever been a witness to. Thankfully, I am not conflicted. I KNOW I won't vote for him regardless. Not even a chance.
Oh well, if folks think constitutional, limited Fed govt folks like me will ever vote for Trump, they are sorely mistaken. Even if it means a Hillary presidency fills the void.
Keep in mind, the USSC appointments will determine whether we have any individual liberty protections retained. Trump won't appoint constitutionalists and neither will Hillary, so what is the difference between the two? Not a darn thing!
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Well I do here in Atlanta...
Mar 4, 2016, 10:13 AM
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Had a week of jury duty last week and the lunch conversations gravitated to politics since we couldn't discuss the case. 60% were self professed, lifelong Dems. Never voted GOP in decades. The only one of them who said they would likely vote Hillary was the youngest lady of all of those. The rest said not a chance in hell and they would abstain if it were Trump vs. Hillary.
At work, I have had conversations with coworkers, many of whom are Dems. Primarily because of Trump and our collective utter disdain for the man. Then I ask them about Hillary and everyone of them says no way they vote for her regardless.
So, here we are. An election on a silver platter and we cannot get behind the one constitutional, limited Fed govt conservative in the race? Sad.
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Have you noticed how well Trump has united the Republican
Mar 4, 2016, 10:17 AM
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Party?
Your anecodotal observations are not supported by the polling data.
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60-70% of GOP is anti Trump... He won't get 50% of GOP if
Mar 4, 2016, 10:29 AM
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Nominated. You can take that to the bank. Which is why you lefties like Trump over Cruz.
That is ok. Just want all conservatives to recognize the game being played here. Trump is a foil to get the Dems re-elected, pure and simple. Don't bu gullible.
The genuine conservative outsider is Cruz.
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While true, it won't prevent him from getting the nomination
Mar 4, 2016, 10:51 AM
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Please point out the path that Cruz or Rubio has to securing the nomination.
Trump will win the nomination with less than 50% of the Republican vote and will be handicapped by the lack of support in the Republican party, among all minorities and among women. While he will enjoy some support in The Confederate states and states with overwhelmingly white populations, he will lose in a landslide in the general election.
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The only path is a Combined ticket of Cruz-Ruvio***
Mar 4, 2016, 10:58 AM
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Me either. I know three Bernie supporters who hate
Mar 4, 2016, 10:15 AM
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Hillary; life-long liberal Dems. I spoke to two last night and one just a few minutes ago. They think Hillary represents everything that is wrong with the Democratic party, and politics in general. The thought of voting for her makes them sick.
They all said they'll vote for her in a skinny minute against Trump or Cruz.
I have college aged kids. The vast majority of their friends love Bernie. They don't really like Hillary either, but they hate Trump and Cruz.
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The Hillary Hate is overwhelmingly a Republican
Mar 4, 2016, 10:21 AM
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issue. But that’s not an issue among Democrats, and it’s less of an issue with independents. So you don’t want to generalize from the Republican electorate to the electorate as a whole. It's not a factor among independents and Democrats.
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another leftist talking point
Mar 4, 2016, 10:43 AM
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All I can tell you is when you get into voters who are educated, not the low information voters in bot h the GOP and Dem parties, they see the Hillary server situation as a disqualification for her to even be Prez at this point and will not participate in propagating that possibility.
She has demonstrated over and over again that she has very poor decision making skills, zero principles, is an elitist on the order of your typical totalitarian and is neck deep in big Corp cronyism.
Now, I understand there are some folks in the Dem party who are so anti Cruz that they will look past all of Hillary's clearly disqualifying attributes and knowingly vote to put this country into the hands of elitist, totalitarian like her. However, there are some in the Dem party who have a brain and realize that voting for Hillary is a bridge too far. Just like some in the GOP see voting for an elitist, totalitarian like Trump is a bridge too far.
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While I can appreciate your passion and emotion, your
Mar 4, 2016, 10:54 AM
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assertions are not supported by any polling data.
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Re: While I can appreciate your passion and emotion, your
Mar 4, 2016, 11:00 AM
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Polling data is malleable. Once in the general, a Cruz-Rubio ticket will address the current, misguided perceptions and the polls will reflect positively for them
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Now, click your heels together 3 times and say "There's no
Mar 4, 2016, 11:16 AM
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place like home. There's no place like home."
Good luck!
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Trust me, when we win, luck will have nothing to do with it ??***
Mar 4, 2016, 11:21 AM
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No, it's mostly ignorance. That's why republicans
Mar 4, 2016, 11:15 AM
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need somebody who can cut through everything, articulate the conservative, small government vision in a way that reaches the people it is not reaching now. The complete and utter failure to do so is exactly why we are in this mess now.
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Actually, no.
Mar 4, 2016, 12:07 PM
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Most of the Republican voters are not supporting Trump. The problem is that the more mainstream Republican vote is being split between three candidates. And you can't just dismiss the fact that people really are legitimately angry and fed up. It's the fact of the political moment, and Kasich pretends like it's not the case. Rubio and Cruz do a better job of acknowledging that fact and channeling it towards candidacies that are much more reasonable than Trump's.
Now, do I think Kasich could be a good president? Yes. Do I think he's the right guy for the moment? Not really. Do I think him staying in the race and not attacking Trump makes him look like a little bit like Trump's toadie? Yeah, I do.
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Because he is sane, reasonable, and moderate.
Mar 4, 2016, 8:54 AM
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I voted for him.
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and he is for centrally planned education indoctrination
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Aka: common core
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 8:58 AM
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Trying to pick the best politician is equivalent to picking the best cow turd out of the pasture.
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Re: Why is Kasich so far behind?
Mar 4, 2016, 9:14 AM
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I think the Trump express is starting to lose momentum. Either Cruz or Rubio will need to step aside sooner rather than later for one of them to make the pass though IMO.
Kasich even though I like him also needs to bow out. None of the people who are voting for him will vote for Trump. Those votes go to either Rubio or Cruz.
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Rubio needs to step aside, become VP to Cruz now!
Mar 4, 2016, 9:18 AM
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They need to divide and conquer across the remaining states. I would even get Kasich on board to be in the cabinet.
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Re: Rubio needs to step aside, become VP to Cruz now!
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Agreed IMO Cruz is a stronger Candidate. Rubio was not ready yet and IMO shouldnt have attempted to run until 2020 or 2024.
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Rubio and Cruz lost their chances last night when they said
Mar 4, 2016, 9:58 AM
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they would support Trump for president if he is the nominee. That negated every negative they have uttered or will utter about Donald Trump.
Trump is going to be the nominee.
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They had to say that right now... a responsible answer
Mar 4, 2016, 10:05 AM
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Can't really put any stock into how they answer such a "no win" question in front of God and everybody.
Red herring excuse by the left
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Re: They had to say that right now... a responsible answer
Mar 4, 2016, 10:37 AM
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Because Kasich doesn't squall idiotic, WWE-style one-liners for a simplistic audience every time he speaks.
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The average person will see that and think "If Trump is
Mar 4, 2016, 11:32 AM
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inevitable and these guys telling me not to vote for him because he is a horrible know nothing short-fingered vulgarian but they will ultimately vote for him too, then, like last night, their negative words lose almost all of their impact.
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Kasich should bow out, Rubio/Cruz need to stay
Mar 4, 2016, 11:39 AM
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At this point, I think they're playing for a brokered convention barring a minor miracle where people come to their senses and give someone other than Trump a plurality of the delegates. When they get to the convention, they can figure out who their delegates will go to and keep Trump from winning.
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Re: Kasich should bow out, Rubio/Cruz need to stay
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If it goes to brokered convention, Trump will be nominee. If Rubio and Kasich cannot get behind Cruz or we get Trump.
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That makes no sense
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In a brokered convention, the point would be to add up their delegates to beat Trump. Trump simply won't have enough delegates to win unless he gets a majority from the vote, and they're not going to have a brokered convention if he gets a majority. My guess is that Rubio and Cruz will agree to support whoever has the most delegates at the convention, whether that's Cruz or whether it's Rubio.
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Maybe bc he just doesn't have that much appeal
Mar 4, 2016, 12:00 PM
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All of the other candidates are also anti-establishment, in some way. Cruz has been a gadfly to the leadership of both parties in the Senate. Rubio was elected by the Tea Party against the establishment of the establishment in Florida.
Kasich is a good guy with a good track record, but he was never a guy that had a lot of people clamoring for a presidential run. He also made the mistake earlier on of basically playing the Jon Hunstman role and insulting the conservative base. He's more conservative than Huntsman, but that kind of sneering was pretty tone deaf.
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point for "gadfly"***
Mar 4, 2016, 12:30 PM
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Rubio violated his pledge with the gang of 8
Mar 4, 2016, 5:42 PM
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Can't be trusted and thus can't win. Kasich cannot even get close to winning. If they refuse to get behind Cruz, the default is going to be Trump. Just the reality.
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