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Why are the military schools......and Clemson
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May 15, 2024, 9:41 AM
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the only schools in the entire country that field football teams that transfer players don't like?
Quite odd.....
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lemme think
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May 15, 2024, 9:50 AM
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High graduation rates, expectation of high performance off the field and very careful vetting of recruits vs. high dropout rate, high rates of transfers out and high rates (comparatively speaking) of off field shenanigans.
Transfers have generally had low success at their previous schools so the indications that they are not a good fit are already there.
Plus, Clemson makes a higher attempt to play deep into the roster than any other school that I know of.
It’s really no surprise that transfers wouldn’t “like” us.
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Orange Blooded [2924]
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There is a big positive in the portal for us...
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May 15, 2024, 9:59 AM
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It's now really easy for bad fits to leave and free up their scholarship. We don't make many mistakes (compared to most other schools) but is is nice be able to help bad fits along. Good for us, good for them.
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Re: lemme think
May 15, 2024, 10:08 AM
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"Transfers have generally had low success at their previous schools so the indications that they are not a good fit are already there."
This isn't entirely true.
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Orange Blooded [2924]
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"generally" covers...
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May 15, 2024, 10:23 AM
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your "entirely"comment pretty well.
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Legend [19708]
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It's not even remotely close to true.....
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May 15, 2024, 12:52 PM
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how about that?
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Re: lemme think
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May 15, 2024, 11:04 AM
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"Transfers have generally had low success at their previous schools so the indications that they are not a good fit are already there."
This isn't entirely true.
A few schools like UGA, Ohio, Oregon pick up impact players but are paying giant sums of NIL $ for these guys. Other schools like the coots, Louisville, Miami have become revolving doors for players so they have no choice but to use the portal to fill their roster.
We do not have the NIL funds to compete with the Ohio states and UGAs of the world and dont want to be a revolving door, so we use our funds on player retention.
For the trolls (JK) who say Dabo has not sniffed the playoffs in the portal era, while true I dont believe it has much to do with the portal. Covid recruiting over zoom was a bust for selling culture, a couple of bad coaching hires, and two 5* QBs who did not live up to their billing were the primary culprits.
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Legend [19708]
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Nearly every school that has gotten transfers has picked up impact players***
May 15, 2024, 11:23 AM
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Re: Nearly every school that has gotten transfers has picked up impact players***
May 15, 2024, 11:52 AM
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But have they had the desired “impact”? There’s a difference between “impact players” & those that actually “have impact”. And most importantly did those teams actually achieve something they otherwise would not gave?
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The answer is yes***
May 15, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Re: The answer is yes***
May 15, 2024, 12:59 PM
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Like who for instance? USC, Coots, Miami, aTm are four schools bring in a ton of transfers but what have they accomplished based on the additional talent?
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Re: The answer is yes***
May 15, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Those are also school that lose a ton more than they bring in.
Let's discuss the schools that bring in a ton and DO accomplish big things. It's a big list. I'll let you go first.
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Re: The answer is yes***
May 15, 2024, 4:00 PM
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It's not a big list.
Like one poster said, you have a gifted few (Ohio St., Georgia, etc.) Who have more money and can pretty much get whomever. Then it's jot a big list after that.
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Legend [19708]
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It's a huge list.
May 15, 2024, 4:08 PM
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Georgia,
Ohio State
Michigan
Washington State
Oklahoma
Texas
Alabama
LSU
USC
Oregon
FSU
Louisville
Tennessee
Missouri
Ole Miss
Oklahoma State
All of these teams off the top of my head have improved their program and results using the portal. And theres plenty of others.
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
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May 15, 2024, 9:53 AM
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I imagine it has alot to do with the philosophy of using NIL for retention rather than acquisition. Personally I think that's the way NIL will head once the player market/rule changes shake out and stabilize. At some point it becomes a bad investment to pay a player millions to get drafted in the fifth round and lead you to a losing season. It's a better investment to pay the players who have produced for you and keep them around IMO.
Then again, most companies in the current economy have a larger budget for hiring than retention. So the current NIL trend could continue.
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
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May 15, 2024, 10:01 AM
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With the Academy’s … that’s easy - it takes a congressional appointment to get in. Clemson is a different story. Dabo has always done things “his way” . For example: If you are committed to Clemson and take another visit, your spot is now open … and it has worked for him in the past.
Today with NIL and the portal … it’s a different story. The fight for players is much more complicated. Only time will tell.
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you don't need an appointment to get in to the academies.
May 15, 2024, 10:17 AM
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you can transfer in.
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You can transfer in
May 15, 2024, 11:03 AM
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but you still need the congressional nomination to get an appointment. Not only that, you need really high GPA and/or compensate with with a very high ACT/SAT. Avg GPA of is typically 4.0 or higher.
Plus you have to remember, that after your junior year, you must commit to being an officer. For the Army and Air Force, you commitment will be at least 5 years of Active Duty & 3 years in Army Reserve Component. For the Naval Academy, the commitment is 5 years of Active Duty in the Navy or Marines.
My best friend has the rare distinction of being accepted into all 3 Academy's. He got into West Point and Navy with nominations from a Va Congressman, and then got into Air Force with a nomination from a congressman from Colorado.
With that that said, it's actually rare that someone transfers to an academy b/c they usually know by their senior year if that's what the want.
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you don't need a congressional nomination either.
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May 15, 2024, 11:35 AM
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I had a presidential nomination when i was applying to the Air Force academy. I didn't get in but my rep said i could go to another school and transfer in later or try to get in under athletic acceptance.
I chose to go to Clemson under an Army ROTC scholarship instead
IF a transfer portal player really wanted to get into the academies they could.
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That makes it a little easier.
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May 15, 2024, 12:16 PM
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still, there are reasons you don't see anyone transferring to the Academies. It's a commitment beyond the years in school.
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the 4 are unrelated. The service academies PRIMARY
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May 15, 2024, 10:20 AM
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goal is to get young men and women prepared to serve and protect our nation.
They don't worry about Walt Disney, Nike, Gatorade, the NFL or FOX. They don't worry about TV deals and NIL.
They are true STUDENT athletes whose goal is to serve.
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Re: the 4 are unrelated. The service academies PRIMARY
May 15, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Very true. I am retired from the USAF and spent about 10 years as an Air Force recruiter. Since Federal law currently prohibits those attending a military academy to accept NIL money, there is little incentive for someone in the portal to be interested in an academy unless of course they wanted to serve. Additionally I believe the transfer would be required to start as a freshman regardless of how many years they already had in college. There are likely age restrictions too. In other words, academy athletes have the ability to enter the portal but it’s unlikely that someone would choose to transfer in.
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i tink you are right. As i understand it.. no matter what you did before hand..
May 15, 2024, 11:37 AM
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you are required to put in 4 years at the academies.
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
May 15, 2024, 11:07 AM
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First you have to be an elite student to go to one of the military academies and second we do not need transfers. There is no story here.
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Our results since 2018 prove otherwise.***
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May 15, 2024, 11:23 AM
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
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May 15, 2024, 12:22 PM
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We don't need transfers, which is why we give vacant scholarships to coach's kids, long snappers, and walk-ons
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
May 15, 2024, 12:18 PM
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The military schools are simple .. it equals actual service afterwards .. and maybe some would not want to serve or not be “service worthy”. As for Clemson, in football .. we don’t use the “P” word (willing to pay millions and guaranteed starting spots) .. we do have a plethora of friends, family and local HS walk ons to fill the open slots.
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Very few portal players require millions or guarunteed starting spots***
May 15, 2024, 12:21 PM
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Did you make up that premise yourself?
May 15, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Not saying you did, just haven’t seen anything saying this.
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See Dabos comments***
May 15, 2024, 12:53 PM
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I didnt see where he said that
May 15, 2024, 1:18 PM
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This was the closest quote I could find, is this what you are referring to?
“ There were a couple guys we looked at. They gotta love you too.”
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Yep that's it.***
May 15, 2024, 1:19 PM
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I disagree with your interpretation of that statement...
May 15, 2024, 1:44 PM
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but it's not a big deal.
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
May 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
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I think you are reading that backwards. Clemson and the military schools want kids who can make a commitment.
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Hunter Johnson and Paul Tyson say hi***
May 15, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
May 15, 2024, 1:34 PM
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the academies have no scholarship limits because everyone at the school is on full ride. that said they can recruit as many players as they can get in . if i had to guess i'd say the only reasons would be that 1) most courses at other schools would not transfer 2) the biggest is to get in you have to have a nomination from a congressman or senator. the academies play pure football because their guys just want to play imo
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
May 15, 2024, 1:44 PM
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Unless we are being blatantly lied to we've attempted to bring a few guys but have had them to elsewhere for whatever reason. Not sure why we'd be out there begging for anyone at all to come here when we have a pretty solid roster all over. How many portal guys would have walked in off the street and been a starter day one that we didn't pursue? I'm thinking it's a pretty short list and they aren't coming here to sit on the bench.
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Re: Why are the military schools......and Clemson
May 15, 2024, 1:49 PM
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We and Army both have a mule.
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STANDARDS!!***
May 15, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Clemson is the Rolls-Royce of programs.
May 15, 2024, 4:32 PM
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Suitable only for those with a certain ethos, a certain outlook, a certain I don't know what.
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