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Oculus Spirit [91483]
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Germans But Covid 19 Vaccine Halted Globally Due To
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Great Concerns Over Many Heart-Related Deaths Especially With Younger Adults.
First, it was not a Vaccine in the true sense but an experiment with crossed fingers during a panic that governments, health officials, doctors & researchers didn’t know how to handle.
Second, governments took control as you’d expect & want them to do but some got out of hand and went against experts that disagreed with them and they were dismissed and/or banned from a normal dialogue.
Thirdly, our own government told us to take the vaccine multiple times and that we the vaccined wouldn’t get the virus if we obeyed their stern guidance.
Fourth, Fauci lied and still is lying about his part in funding Chinese lab responsible for the leak and covering up that it was most likely the origin location.
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Re: Germans But Covid 19 Vaccine Halted Globally Due To
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May 9, 2024, 4:27 PM
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I call Fake News.
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All-In [25030]
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You live in Fake News.***
May 9, 2024, 5:43 PM
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Re: You live in Fake News.***
May 9, 2024, 5:58 PM
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You are so unaware of yourself.
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A Covid-19 jab used outside the US was withdrawn today by AstraZeneca
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May 9, 2024, 4:44 PM
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Basically means they are no longer manufacturing. They are not recalling. My point? None other than you are a bit misleading. Did you get the jab(s) btw?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-68977026
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Re: A Covid-19 jab used outside the US was withdrawn today by AstraZeneca
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May 9, 2024, 4:53 PM
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There new vaccines for different variants from other companies and AstraZeneca didn't have the demand. That article said their vaccine might have saved 6.5 million people. I call BS on that last part.
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Its not misleading
May 9, 2024, 5:57 PM
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AstraZeneca admitted in court (under threat of perjury) that their vaccine can cause vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis (VITT)
They also admitted that it can cause low platelet counts.
They are never going to admit (outside of court) that they pulling it for this reason. And they are never going to admit they didn’t pursue further generations because they would have similar side effects
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Re: Its not misleading
May 9, 2024, 6:10 PM
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Then it is me. I don’t disagree with pretty much anything you are throwing down/citing. But when LbB says “halted” then I get the image of them being forced to stop.
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Re: Its not misleading
May 9, 2024, 8:22 PM
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Halt literally means "bring or come to an abrupt stop" which is what's happening. If you don't understand basic English that isn't the OPs problem.
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Re: Its not misleading
May 10, 2024, 12:15 AM
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What don’t you understand about me saying “then it must be me”? Do you not understand English?
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Re: Its not misleading
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May 10, 2024, 7:41 AM
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Me/they/them/it/we
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Re: Its not misleading
May 10, 2024, 8:11 AM
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Spot on! +1
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What's really odd about this whole thing is that those that
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May 9, 2024, 5:05 PM
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have complained about the "clot shot" for years STILL worship the very ground that the very guy who ordered it via "operation warp speed" walks on.
Seems way hypocritical, but that's also our new norm I suppose.
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It clearly wasn't Don the Con's fault.
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May 9, 2024, 5:15 PM
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I mean first, the guy never makes a mistake, and if he does, it's not HIS mistake, it's the fall guy standing next to him. Look at his track record. He's clearly lived his life flawlessly.
Second, I'll go ahead and say what we all are thinking: Fauci was using Chinese mind control techniques to manipulate that orange amoeba. I hear Fauci was collecting all the empty vacc syringes to build a land bridge to Epstein Island. That's where he stole the election.
Am I doing this right, Bill?
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Not really, I think most peoples problem was/is the whole "you will get it
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May 9, 2024, 5:23 PM
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or the federal govt. will force your employer to fire you" deal, which was totally the Biden admins doing. The hypocrisy lies with the people who wanted to ostracize everyone from society who wasn't 110% gung-ho about getting it, who now use operation warp speed as a talking point to #### talk Trump and his voters. Which is stupid, because it wasn't really a partisan deal. Many pubs wanted to basically kill people who wouldn't get it, similarly, there were many dems who were like "###? this is nuts".
Those who freaked out the most should carry the most shame, and the freakout was bipartisan. Most of those people are no longer getting boosters, which I find hilarious....and I think they should be forced to for the rest of their lives due to their insanity.
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You do understand why people aren't getting the boosters anymore right?
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May 9, 2024, 5:24 PM
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And more importantly, understand that there is a huge difference in getting a vaccine in 2020 vs. a booster in 2024?
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Oculus Spirit [79597]
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Sure, because they aren't as at much risk.....Just like many of us who weren't
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May 9, 2024, 5:29 PM
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during 2020. So they've come around to the same line of thinking many of us were 4 years ago, and now they should get a taste of their own medicine by having the booster forced upon them.
And yes, it was experimental. I've seen trials that lasted 10 years get mothballed, so there was a very logical and rational reason to be skeptical. Which turned out to be true as we watched the supposed efficacy drop by the week...And then we found out it doesn't stop you from spreading it. lol
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There was significant risk of not taking the vaccine in 2020...
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May 9, 2024, 5:33 PM
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It literally worked based off everyone taking it.
Covid is nothing like it was in 2020 now, and the efficacy of the booster isn't nearly as close to what the original vaccine was to the original virus.
I'm only taking umbrage to "Most of those people are no longer getting boosters, which I find hilarious", because it's stupid to think that's hilarious - it's completely different now.
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Not for everyone, there wasn't. Young, healthy people were not at significant
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risk .
"It literally worked based off everyone taking it"
That's total bullshid, complete and total bullshid. Covid mutated to become less lethal, just like we all knew it eventually would. That's also a hilarious take considering the narrative was down to "Take it so you don't overwhelm the hospital system", which probably has some legitimacy when considering elderly, etc. But no, it did not "literally work based off everyone taking it". It didn't stop people from getting it, and it didn't stop people from spreading it. Maybe it kept some people from having a more severe case, that's what we got out of it. Well that, and a windfall for pharmaceutical companies.
FWIW, I only take umbrage with the insane pushers who wanted everyone eliminated from society who wouldn't follow them off the cliff. Those people should DIAF. If you got it cause you felt that was right, that's fine with me. If you wanted me fired and isolated, I have a problem and think those people should be forced to take the boosters....for science.
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Re: Not for everyone, there wasn't. Young, healthy people were not at significant
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I am with you Lakebum. The whole thing was overblown. The risks from the jab as well as the risks from COVID. We should have never shut everything down. The kids should have been in school. We shouldn't have handed out all of those checks either. It was a mess.
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Oculus Spirit [79597]
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I agree with all of that, the stimulus was wrong, shutting down schools was
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May 9, 2024, 6:12 PM
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wrong, and we really got to see the authoritarian tendencies of many in our society. Wearing a mask to walk 10' into a restaurant was fugging stupid, not allowing certain businesses to open was stupid, shutting down parks was stupid, and there needs to be some accountability for all of the idiocy. The last thing we need to do is listen to the same people who promoted all of that BS.
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Re: There was significant risk of not taking the vaccine in 2020...
May 9, 2024, 8:24 PM
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Covid was rough on the obese and the elderly. The rest of the population had virtually nothing to worry about no matter how much revisionist history you try to pass off as fact.
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Re: There was significant risk of not taking the vaccine in 2020...
May 9, 2024, 10:20 PM
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The "rest of the population" might worry when all of the hospitals are so full of convid-19 patients that they can't get any help.
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I dont recall Biden or anyone else saying to
May 10, 2024, 7:28 AM
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Het vaxxed or the fed govt will force your employer to fire you.
The vax irony still remains and is a perfect example of how closed minded certain people are.
DJT could order the death of 5k babies and many of his supporters would not only defend it but would probably do so using the words border, inflation, constitution, and marxism in the same sentence.
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Well, he did try to fine businesses who didn't get them all vaxxed
May 10, 2024, 7:47 AM
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I believe if they had 100 or more employees. And that was a big authoritarian overstep.
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Yeah and I don't agree with that. At. All.
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Lots of things weren't done right that is for sure.
It's not like the citizens were told to vax or lose employment though. I mean, maybe that happened to someone somewhere but it certainly wasn't a widespread thing.
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Why let facts get in the way of this discussion?***
May 10, 2024, 10:17 AM
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Y'all are trying to downplay it, but the facts are millions of people
May 10, 2024, 3:56 PM
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were faced with the choice of getting the vaccine or potentially getting fired. When the federal govt. is telling private business they either require the vax or have OSHA up their ###, it's functionally the same as telling citizens to get the vax or lose your employment.
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That was bad
May 10, 2024, 7:47 AM
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And unconstitutional, as our SCOTUS correctly ruled. It's, IMO, the most egregious overstep of authority by the Biden administration.
Juan has a point though: the anti vax stuff is driven by bad conspiracies and conjecture, and most of those pushing it are Trumpists. Which, again, is odd since they will worship him and give him a free pass on everything, but forget he took the vax and helmed the effort to rush it to the market.
I concur that hatred for those who didn't get vaxxed is stupid and wrong, but no more so than the clowns who push bad conspiracies over it.
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yeah, I grew a 3rd arm out of my naval
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it comes in handy sometimes tho.
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Fake news! This has been totally debunked
May 9, 2024, 5:43 PM
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by the best liberal “scientists” money can buy. You know, the same ones that keep the secret “data” that shows how great the mask farce worked
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Re: Fake news! This has been totally debunked
May 9, 2024, 6:22 PM
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Even though the vast majority of scientists are liberal, we can not trust them. They should all be locked up.
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Re: Fake news! This has been totally debunked
May 10, 2024, 12:08 AM
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There are plenty of normal scientists that work in industry
Then there are those that work for government and universities- yep, you can go ahead and lock those kooks up
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Well, at least you admitted it out loud
May 10, 2024, 7:49 AM
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That you want to imprison people for political beliefs. It's hard sometimes to get a Trumper to say out loud what he actually wants.
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shut up, liar***
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Good one.***
May 9, 2024, 7:58 PM
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"Derp derp Libs of TikTok told me the vax causes clots! LOL84!!"
May 10, 2024, 7:50 AM
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What a dumb ###.
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Had a relative who got very lucky who had surgery yesterday.
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He's in perfect shape for his 50s. He runs, exercises a lot, eats well, normal weight, normal blood sugars, etc. He started wearing a fit bit and noticed his heart rate was low. Like 40bpm. They did a full workup and set him up for an ablation surgery.
He was never vaxxed. His first covid infection was pretty bad. He wasn't hospitalized. He's had covid two more times for a total of three times.
The ablation surgery lasted 6 hours. They kept finding PVCs in his lower chamber and had to track those down. Now this is likely news for the antivax crowd, but 20-30% of people who get covid, mild or not, get some flavor of PVCs. They are an early symptom that can lead to sudden cardiac death. They specifically lead to two types of arrhythmia known to cause sudden cardiac death.
He was lucky they were found and treated during the surgery.
Scary part is had he not started using a fitbit he would have never known. No chest pains, palpation, or anything else.
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Glad he found the issue and they did the surgery....
May 10, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Had he not been healthy prior to infection, who knows what would have happened?
Covid often leaves behind damage even in people that survived it. The vaccines helped not only to stave off death, but to stave off more serious consequences requiring hospitalization & long-covid.
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I'm no scientist
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And I don't usually like to discuss this topic because there are so many irrational crazies regarding it, as this thread shows.
But the technology that went into this vaccine, already established before the virus, was outstanding and the efforts of both the government and the private sector to create it were equally outstanding. This is one area I'll actually give Orange Fat ### credit for as his admin pushed to make this happen.
To echo Juan, the irony here is phenomenally stupid in that the people who worship every turd that comes out of Trump reject the vaccination accomplishment because they somehow attribute it all now to Biden. And yes, I acknowledge the Biden admin overstepped when it came to the vaccine; if people chose not to get it, that's their choice and they shouldn't face any sort of punishment or ostracizing from the public.
The vaccine saved lives, period, and pretty much brought this virus to a halt. But instead, we're stuck with dumb conspiracies that have also trickled into myths about the vaccines for children that save their lives from diseases.
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