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Nov 16, 2023, 2:31 AM
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https://www.si.com/mlb/braves/news/report-shohei-ohtani-reportedly-intrigued-by-possibility-of-playing-for-atlanta-braves
For those of you that may follow only the Braves and aren’t really knowledgeable about the rest of the teams, Shohei Ohtani is hands down the most talented baseball player to ever exist.
He throws 100 mph+ and dominates on the mound. As well as having miraculously and actually unbelievable hitting seasons.
To put it simply, he is the best hitter and pitcher by far on his team. And he’s in another league than everybody on his team besides Mike Trout hitting wise. But that’s Mike Trout.
The Braves though, they don’t have any problems hitting the ball. I think it’s keeping pitching healthy and having pitching depth.
Strider is the ace, Fried was but can’t stay healthy. Soroka’s career may be doomed.
Adding Shohei is a promise of a World Series.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 2:33 AM
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That would be awesome! I just hope they don't pay the crazy amount that's been reported Ohtani is "worth" in FA.
Would love to have the WS be the Braves vs Rangers next season!
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves - best ever is a stretch
Nov 16, 2023, 4:33 AM
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He is good, but there have been a lot of good pitchers that were also good hitter starting with Babe Ruth. And I don't think the Braves will pay what he's looking for, especially since he's having a second Tommy John surgery.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves - best ever is a stretch
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Nov 16, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Yes, that second TJ surgery cannot be overlooked. Few have come back from a second one.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves - best ever is a stretch
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Nov 16, 2023, 8:49 AM
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That's true, but Babe didn't pitch much after going to the Yankees. Also, there are good pitchers that could hit, but Ohtani is an everyday hitter who is consistently in the top 5 in HR and RBI as well as pitching with a sub 2.50 ERA. What he's done in his career is unprecendented. Quite simply, he's the most complete baseball player ever. If he played in another era when baseball was more popular, people would know him like they know Tom Brady or Michael Jordan.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves - best ever is a stretch
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Nov 16, 2023, 12:02 PM
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Babe Ruth really only pitched for a while and stopped because it was too hard.
Don’t use Babe Ruth because the performance ability of athletes back then is not in the same vicinity of what their abilities are nowadays.
Players are bigger, faster, stronger, throw faster, hit harder, etc etc
As well as the fact that Ruth did not dominate on the mound and throw 100+ for all of his career.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 6:26 AM
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His agent is just using the Braves to increase his value. If there is any team that doesn’t need him it’s the Braves. The Braves need a front line starter first, and a left fielder second. There really isn’t much this team needs. Giving Ohtani say 100 million for 2 years and not say extending Fried, would be a stupid choice.
He’s a Dodger, we all know it, and Bellinger will be a Yankee. The Braves are set, we just need one more stud starter.
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Re: can always tell when someone
Nov 16, 2023, 6:50 AM
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Knows. Nothing about baseball by describing Ohtani as the most talented/best player ever.
I kinda get tired of it the Angels had him and Trout, both HoFers and did squat.
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Re: can always tell when someone
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Nov 16, 2023, 7:21 AM
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Life long Angels fan here. It wasn’t Ohtani’s fault. That is one of the most poorly run “professional” organizations out there. He’s the real deal.
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Re: can always tell when someone
Nov 16, 2023, 8:53 AM
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Give me the name of another player in baseball history that has an sub 2.50 ERA and over 40 HR. Before you say Babe Ruth, his best pitching season was 1916 and you know how many HR he hit that year? Three.
SO is doing things no other baseball player has done.
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Re: can always tell when someone
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Nov 16, 2023, 11:53 AM
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"I don't know if he's in a class by himself, but I do know that when that class gets together, it sure don't take long to call the roll."
- Bum Phillips
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Re: can always tell when someone
Nov 16, 2023, 12:04 PM
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How do you blame these 2 players for that?
The Angels literally poured their whole budget into 2 players. That organization has wasted the best years of these 2 players.
And apparently you do not know the stats and facts about Shohei.
Go research the stats on both sides, look at his abilities, and tell me that any other single player in baseball history has ever been able to do what he’s done and can do.
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Will the Braves be willing to spend the kind of money Ohtani will garner...
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Nov 16, 2023, 8:33 AM
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The Braves had a franchise-record payroll in 2023 and dipped into the luxury tax for the first time. Signing Ohtani would shoot them well above that mark, along with any other pitching help they might add.
Spotrac, a website that focuses on sports contracts, recently revealed contract valuations for Ohtani at either eight years for $230 million as a pitcher or ten years at $333 million as a hitter.
That said, one of the biggest reasons he may prefer Atlanta is because he wants to win. When he first came from Japan, he didn't jump to the biggest market available (i.e., the Yankees). He went to the Angels because he said he felt a bond with the Angels and appreciated their approach to the unique challenges that his development would bring.
However, he's now tired of losing and in 2021 specifically said that winning was the primary motivating factor for him. While Atlanta is a proven winner and they have been winning without him, Ohtani would definitely make them better. In order to play for a winner and a team that can help him develop further as a player, he may be willing to take less money.
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Re: Will the Braves be willing to spend the kind of money Ohtani will garner...
Nov 16, 2023, 9:04 AM
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That might be valuation figures but he'll get more like a 500 million dollar deal.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
Nov 16, 2023, 8:53 AM
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The only thing with Ohtani is he hasn't been able to pitch a full season yet.
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Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit for Atlanta***
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Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM
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Ohtani isn't coming to ATL...***
Nov 16, 2023, 9:06 AM
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 10:16 AM
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Sorry but saying Fried can’t stay healthy while promoting Ohtani is just dumb. They both came in around the same time and Ohtani is the one whose missed entire seasons not being able to pitch.
Pinelaketiger is right, his agent is just floating the Braves name around just to see how far north of $500 million a team like the Dodgers, Mets, or even the Rangers will go to, and for that much money, the Braves could lock up Fried long term say $200 Million, sign another front line starting pitcher say like Aaron Nola for $230 million and then still have more then enough money left over to get a better then average left fielder. Will that happen probably not, but it’s a better option to spread the $ around then just hitch it to a guy who just pitches once a week and DHs all because nobody does it. IMO that’s why he’s overrated and stays hurt for extended times.
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Agreed...
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Nov 16, 2023, 10:30 AM
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if the Braves are going to spend that kind of money, they would be better served to spread that wealth among multiple players.
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Re: Agreed...
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Nov 16, 2023, 12:07 PM
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I don’t understand this point.
The Braves have no issues with their team as it is. They just were called the best offense to ever exist. They actually were.
All the Braves need is another dominant pitcher. And what Shohei gives you, he gives you way more than that to put it simply.
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Re: Agreed...
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Nov 16, 2023, 1:01 PM
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What part don’t you understand, the part that he’s not pitching next season, or the part you can get 3 players at the same price as him basically. Simple as that.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
Nov 16, 2023, 12:01 PM
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I’d even say, and I may get yelled at for saying so, if you can get lucky and upgrade SS, I would too. I know Arcia was an All-Star and had a good season, but I’m not sure I trust that level of play to continue.
His postseason behavior, making faces in the dugout, the Harper thing, hasn’t gone over well.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 10:46 AM
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Red Sox fan here.
Ohtani has been phenomenal. Like mentioned previously, his second surgery cannot be overlooked.
However, his pitching is not the only thing that will affected. Multiple surgeries in the same location result in additional scar tissue.
While his swing won't directly be affected, the potential for increased inflammation in the elbow could reduce the number of plate appearances as well.
After three minor surgeries to repair the meniscus and partial tears to ligamnets in my left knee, the pain from the scar tissue was greater than the original meniscus tear. Again, these were minor procedures but they ended any hopes of playing sports after my junior year.
The upside is, Ohtani has the very best medical teams money can buy, hopefully reducing any effect of multiple procedures.
Does a club want to chance spending a ton of money on a player that might be able to replicate past success? Only time will tell.
Even if Boston isn't a player in the market for him, I hope Ohtani comes out slinging and swinging. Watching him go to work is exciting, every single game.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Braves cannot pay what Ohtani wants. He’s going to be a Dodger.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 11:50 AM
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The Braves cannot afford Ohtani. And he won't pitch at all in 2024.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 12:42 PM
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I love Ozuna, but I like the thought of possibly bringing in Shohei as DH while he heals. Once he is fully healed, he'll be an absolute GEM to add to a pretty good rotation if the Braves could afford him. Would love to see the Braves go out and get some really DOMINANT relievers. Maybe Josh Hader or someone that just brings an edge. If they can't get Shohei, I think at least adding another starter in the rotation like Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Blake Snell, Aaron Nola or maybe even Sonny Gray would be a great move. Soroka and Wright can't seem to stay healthy. Maybe trade those guys for a great reliever and a decent prospect, and add one of those guys mentioned above from free agency.
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Re: Shohei Ohtani Braves
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Nov 16, 2023, 1:13 PM
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Ohtani would be the worse decision the Braves have ever made. Name one team that wins consistently with the highest paid player in MLB on their roster. There isn't one. It handcuffs you to sign supporting players. Tampa Bay is probably the only team that could pull this off due to their player development and loaded farm system. They actually offered the Angels a boat load of prospects at the trade line this year, but Angels owner turned it down. Bet he regrets that decision.
For the same money the Braves could extend Fried, sign Nola, Gray and Pham for LF. One Ohtani does not equal 3 quality pitchers. I'll take 100 quality starts over 30 dominate starts any day and twice on Sunday with the Braves offense.
Personally, I would love to see the Braves extend Fried and sign Gray and Mahle. Gray has already indicated its about winning a championship and not about money. Mahle was one of the hottest young prospects in MLB before he got hurt. You wouldn't have him fully healthy and at full strength until 2025, but Morton is an excellent gap filler for 2024 (which is why I think the braves were willing to overpay for his option next year). You could sign him on a long-term deal at a bargain price. Similar to Acuna and Riley. He's only 24, has ace stuff, and just hitting his prime.
You would have Strider, Fried, Gray, Mahle and Wright as starters in 2025. All locked up for the forseeable future. With Soroka, Anderson, and Elder as potential starters or trade bait. Thats a potentially dominate front end staff through 2030.
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