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All-In [26968]
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This whole Cuba thing...
Mar 21, 2016, 12:57 PM
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The Republican people are telling me I shouldn't like Obama going to Cuba, but I'm not sure why. Maybe just cause Obama's doing it?
There's some language about "legitimizing an authoritarian regime," but I don't see why that's necessarily the case.
Can anybody enlighten me?
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All-In [40409]
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if too many people travel there
Mar 21, 2016, 12:58 PM
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the island could capsize
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Oculus Spirit [83415]
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Well, you just have to distribute the people evenly on both
Mar 21, 2016, 2:22 PM
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sides.
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I laugh when it comes up because....
Mar 21, 2016, 1:00 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: This whole Cuba thing...
Mar 21, 2016, 1:05 PM
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I think there are a lot of political prisoners just rotting in jail that the masses would like to see released and that hasn't happened. I think this is the main concern among the screaming protesters.
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All-TigerNet [13612]
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Re: This whole Cuba thing...
Mar 21, 2016, 1:11 PM
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Probably the same reason dems would be bitching if a R was the first President to visit Cuba in 80+ years.
Rinse. Cycle. Repeat. Much of it is just bs
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110%er [7013]
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GOP Farm/Agri folks are all for opening relations with Cuba
Mar 21, 2016, 1:32 PM
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That has been a constant source of friction within the party. Cuba buys lots of farm production, and they pay cash.
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You act like none of those people are Dem supporters
Mar 21, 2016, 4:04 PM
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The Cuba embargo hasn't really been a "constant source of friction within the party," even if some people would like the ability to do business with Cuba. This is an instance where the more idealistic side of the party has held sway over the business side of the party for some time.
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110%er [7013]
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No I don't. Not at all.***
Mar 21, 2016, 5:07 PM
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Re: GOP Farm/Agri folks are all for opening relations with Cuba
Mar 22, 2016, 7:49 AM
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Depends on which farm. Florida sugar most definitely does NOT want open trade with Cuba. In fact, aside from some dwindling Peter Pans in Dade County who remember Batista, Florida sugar is the main reason why Cuba's been on lockdown as of late.
Very powerful lobby in swing state with tons of electoral votes = crazy policy.
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Obama must really love Che Guevara.***
Mar 21, 2016, 1:44 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Obama must really love Che Guevara.***
Mar 21, 2016, 2:08 PM
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the hipster generation sure does. but I do not think they even know who Che is......much like they do not know how to dress, shower or groom.
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Damm kids with their newfangled hair and their gallivanting***
Mar 21, 2016, 2:13 PM
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meh
Mar 21, 2016, 1:50 PM
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outside of cuban americans, i don't think many here care much.
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It just looks like one big photo op to me
Mar 21, 2016, 2:06 PM
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dragging the daughters along in their $1000 dresses?
bringing Jackie Robinson family along?
If there is some serial negotiating about human rights, sending cop-killers back to USA, etc, I might think a little different...
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That being said...I am in favor of
Mar 21, 2016, 2:15 PM
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teaming with the Cubano underground to rid the isle of the commies, then pay the freedom-loving peeps for the whole place and turn it into a Rum-makin', Ceegar-rollin' Caribbean Vegas...
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Oculus Spirit [83415]
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That's what it was before Castro.***
Mar 21, 2016, 2:20 PM
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Re: That being said...I am in favor of
Mar 21, 2016, 2:23 PM
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would be nice to reestablish gambling and prostitution in cuba, and the under age sex trade in Dominica is a little risky these days. Ask Rush.
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Oculus Spirit [83415]
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The Cuba embargo has only lasted as long as it has because
Mar 21, 2016, 2:18 PM
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Cuban-American voters in South Florida. It's stupid to harm the Cuban people and farmers in our Southern states (who would benefit from this) when we already do business with so many authoritarian regimes.
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CU Medallion [73570]
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its not like it came out of no where tho
Mar 21, 2016, 2:51 PM
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they did try to plant russian bombs there.
I'd say that's call for embargo's.
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next thing you know a president will visit china***
Mar 21, 2016, 3:11 PM
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There is no rational reason to keep freezing out Cuba.
Mar 21, 2016, 3:25 PM
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It's just an obsolete rivalry from the Cold War. Some politicians use it for political leverage, but nobody cares any more.
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Oculus Spirit [76234]
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I just want to go down there and pick up
Mar 21, 2016, 3:28 PM
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a '57 Chevy. I think they have a lot of them there.
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I'd imagine dissidents, prisoners, and Cuban Americans...
Mar 21, 2016, 3:58 PM
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look at it as a betrayal of their fight against the regime. To them, it probably looks like Obama is willing to sell them out in order to open Cuba up to American business, especially since it doesn't seem like this visit is coinciding any major political victory or loosening of the Castro regime's totalitarianism. I get the people who assume a country will liberalize once it's exposed to capitalism and wealthy tourists, because it's hard for even the most hardened political leftists not to want the greater prosperity that liberal economics brings. But making a totalitarian government wealthy and treating it as legitimate also puts that government in a position to call more of the shots, and it can be perceived as rewarding them for "holding out" against you until you just couldn't wait any longer to get access.
I hear people saying empty things like "it's time" or some such, but the question these people never ask is "why now?" Has something happened that made this necessary now, or that made now a more advantageous time to try to open up Cuba?
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I think it has something to do with the fact that when
Mar 21, 2016, 4:02 PM
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Castro took over he seized property, money, and declared everyone now works for Me.
Families lost their livelihoods and many lost their lives. Any business owner was now at the mercy of the government.
Castro was like the mob, except legal.
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And the only people who care anymore are Cuban-Americans
Mar 21, 2016, 4:09 PM
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Which is why they've voted for the most consistently anti-Communist and anti-Castro party. Democrats, however, would be happy to appear to come to the relief of the Cuban people and American businessmen being hurt by our embargo.
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Re: And the only people who care anymore are Cuban-Americans
Mar 21, 2016, 4:22 PM
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Let sleeping dog's lie until they can take out the castro regime and replace it with a pro-democracy, Until then support the boycott. You can't do business with a dictatorship like that.
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All-TigerNet [10210]
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Any business we do now only supports the castro
Mar 21, 2016, 4:35 PM
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government. They've got to have some normalcy of freedom before we play ball.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Imagine America being taken over by force. All political
Mar 21, 2016, 6:09 PM
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opposition is shot by firing squad. That was Raul's job after Castro came to power, by the way. All private property is confiscated. All opposition is jailed or killed. Every person is doomed to poverty because of a failed system of government control. The original political leaders are still in power over 60 years later.
Is this a legitimate government?
Does establishing diplomatic relations and visiting by the President of the most powerful nation on earth give it legitimacy?
Your children live in terrible conditions, and you know there is no hope for them because of the man who is dining with the President of the United States of America.
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CU Medallion [56339]
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It's about upset Cuban-Americans.
Mar 21, 2016, 6:28 PM
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They're a big GOP voting block in Florida.
And yes, the truth is Castro DID in fact steal from them, murder them, and force many out. They have a right to be upset. Cuban-Americans say Castro is their Hitler, and not without reason. But the embargo has done nothing to give democratic and capitalist points of view a hearing in Cuba. If anything, it has made things much worse for Cuba, especially since the fall of the Soviet Union, which used to prop up Cuba back in the day.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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It is a false assumption that the Cuban people will
Mar 21, 2016, 6:43 PM
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benefit from the US. The money generated will go to the Castro communist regime, not the people.
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