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Orange Blooded [2669]
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3 home games in a row
Nov 12, 2022, 11:11 PM
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We play sc upstate, bellarmine, and Loyola Maryland all at home in our next 3 games.
We should easily beat sc upstate, bellarmine is solid team but they just lost to Moorhead st, and loyal md should be an easy win.
We need to play our freshman A LOT in thes next 3 games. They need to contribute if we are going to have a successful year. It's clear the at they are talented, but it's also clear they need some in game experience.
Other things that I'm looking for
- better perimeter defense
- hunter Tyson getting back on track with his 3's
- our big men not named pj ball finishing down low and playing physical.
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 13, 2022, 12:02 AM
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Agreed. Brownell has to let the freshmen play and get experience. These should still be easy wins even while doing so. I hope Brownell does that, but he is set in his ways
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Brad wants to play the freshmen more.
Nov 13, 2022, 9:53 PM
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He has said that.
These games should be a good opportunity to do so.
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Speaks volumes that we couldn't play the freshman more
Nov 14, 2022, 9:14 AM
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against the preseason 2nd worst team in the SOCON and worst team in the SEC, right?
One of Brownells "best" teams, you would've thought they would've handled their business early against those schools, right?
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I think JK thinks he is posting on the
Nov 15, 2022, 12:46 PM
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Rainbows and Unicorns Board.
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 13, 2022, 12:08 AM
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Don't know final but SC Upstate was tied with Duke late in the first half last night. I wouldn't count that as easy based on what I saw from our team at Cootlimbia. Our team looked horrible.
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 13, 2022, 12:16 AM
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They lost to Duke by 46.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 13, 2022, 7:19 AM
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Duke went into the half up 10 and won by over 40 points
People don't realize how screwy these early games typically are.
For example, unc only outscored UNCW by 2 in the second half. They were down to Charleston by 7 at half before scoring 59 in the second half and winning.
Miami was down to lafeyete by 2 at half
Florida st is 0-2 after a 9 point loss to Stetson, and a 14 point loss to UCF.
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 13, 2022, 12:24 AM
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I thought this was going to be a football post…
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Orange Blooded [4978]
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 14, 2022, 9:23 AM
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Me too.
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 14, 2022, 1:46 PM
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I thought this was going to be a football post…
About not getting a night game..
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Re: 3 home games in a row
Nov 13, 2022, 8:00 AM
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Yes we need to play the freshmen a lot so they have lots of experience for the next coach or to make themselves more appealing for when they hit the portal.
I wonder if we can get some compensatory picks…
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INB4 striperfan posts about how awful we are.***
Nov 13, 2022, 9:52 PM
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We are not good and very poorly coached.***
Nov 14, 2022, 6:50 AM
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Re: We are not good and very poorly coached.***
Nov 14, 2022, 8:04 AM
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How are we very poorly coached? I need specifics.
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It’s the same trope that gets posted here every season.***
Nov 14, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Re: It’s the same trope that gets posted here every season.***
Nov 14, 2022, 9:52 AM
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I've asked this question at least 20 times, and I still haven't gotten a halfway decent response yet.
People like to just complain without putting much thought into it.
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Our record, our performance in the ACC Tourney, our
Nov 14, 2022, 1:07 PM
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performance in the big dance . . . lolololololololololol . . . . like we even get there - THIS IS THE ONLY "PROOF" needed that we are POORLY COACHED ! ! !
We are freaking 9-1 and playing in our umpteenth ACC Championship Game - and all you and your scok loving troll wants to talk about is the poor coaching and the lack of development and the "beyond reproach" diety-status the coaches have been given.
Apply the same metrics to our world-class sucking basketball teams of the last 12 years . . . with a one year exception.
If Brownlee & Co are developing talent, then he must only be able to recruit no star players - which comes right back to him.
CDS has EARNED the status - Brownlee EARNED getting canned years ago - but is somehow still here.
You guys are something else.
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When we show we can guard the perimeter
Nov 14, 2022, 10:59 AM
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rebound against a decent Frontline (hint, USuC is not one), are not inhibited by our youth (hint, hardly playing and zero impact), I'll gladly recant my prediction of a poor season.
So far, and it's only two games, granted, everything I've pointed to has transpired. How's your forecast of the season looking (much improved defense, look like a tourney team, etc.)?
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You don't need to recant your prediction.
Nov 14, 2022, 11:04 AM
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You made it based on what you felt were legitimate concerns. I don't have a problem with it.
It just seems that you are eager to criticize our players every chance you get. You aren't leaving any room for optimism or improvement when others are trying to find the positive in something they have seen.
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I've pointed to things that should be obvious
Nov 14, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Tyson, while a good player, is a stretch 4 and not a physical inside presence. Never has been.
Hemenway is clearly not a starter on the ACC level.
I don't think Galloway is either.
This means freshmen, including Beadle, have to play a major role, something you and Mountanier have denied.
Hopes? Chase looks like he can handle PG, but we're better with him at 2G. His brother and Beadle will have to have a big impact, as they are at least athletic enough to guard people. Godfrey or Wiggins have to impact 3. Same reason. Shieffelin has a chance if he shows he can hold his own against real front lines.
Where I'd go now? Start Tyson at 3 and see if he can guard it, and Ian at 4 to give him the chance to show he can have an impact. Play the freshmen! All of them. Honestly, no one on the team has a chance to make a bigger impact than Wiggins. He's a complete mismatch at 3, with extraordinary length. He can make plays no one else can. Let, him, and the others, learn through the fire.
If Brad had true job security, this is what he'd be doing here in Nov/Dec. But does he? Only Neff knows that. If Hemenway and Galloway continue to get 25-30 minutes a game, it's going to be a long season. They cannot guard, and once we begin playing good backcourts, than will become even more, painfully obvious.
So, where am I wrong?
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Re: I've pointed to things that should be obvious
Nov 14, 2022, 12:12 PM
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The South Carolina game was very bad for rebounding. I'm hoping the rebounding performance is an outlier.
Why do you think that our rebounding is going to be a lot worse than last year? In conference, we were second best in opponent offensive rebounds. We gave up 133. We out rebounded our opponents in conference 609 to 596. We did lose Collins, who was a good rebounder, but we have added a lot of length in our back court as well.
Although the USC game was unfortunate, I'm not too worried about rebounding based on what I state above.
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The length we added is not playing
Nov 14, 2022, 12:34 PM
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they are freshmen. Godfrey and Wiggins have to play. Hemenway is taller than Dawes, you really think he's a strong rebounder? Galloway surely isn't Collins on the boards, we're much smaller there unless the freshmen play.
Tyson is not a physical presence. He'll average 5-6 boards in the end. That's what Collins posted last year at 3. PJ, and I love him, has to average 8-10 boards a game. He has to dominate the paint. Hopefully he can emerge there, but rebounding for him has been below average in his career for someone as talented as he is.
Chase, who can rebound, has other responsibilities at PG, namely getting back on defense.
So far, Godfrey and Wiggins have played less than 15 minutes combined in 2 games. We're no where near, effectively longer, with that being the case.
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Re: The length we added is not playing
Nov 14, 2022, 12:47 PM
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I would say chase is way better at rebounding than dawes, Hemenway/beadle are bothe better rebounders than dawes, and Collins was a better rebounder than Galloway.
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If we are comparing this year to last
Nov 14, 2022, 1:01 PM
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I agree, Chase is a better rebounder than Dawes at PG. But at PG he's not a rebounder. So, you have to compare Hemenway/Beadle to Chase at 2 last year, where he played. Neither are a better rebounder there. Galloway < Collins for sure.
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Re: If we are comparing this year to last
Nov 15, 2022, 7:49 AM
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It's funny how when honor transferred, it was "we lost an experienced starter"
Now, you are trying to argue that our rebounding was better last year, so you are counting chase hunter as a starter.
Fact.... our starters at 1, 2, and 3 were honor, dawes, and Collins for 2/3 of the year. During that time, we didn't struggle mightily with rebounding.
I believe our starters of chase hunter, Hemenway/beadle, and brevin Galloway are as good, if not slightly better at rebounding than the former trio.
Even if they are not, we are not a significantly worse rebounding team.
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Legend [19748]
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I don't think I even commented on Honor leaving
Nov 15, 2022, 11:50 AM
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he didn't even start the last third of the year. So not sure where you're getting that from.
Collins grabbed 6 boards a game himself. Who is matching that? He outrebounded Tyson and PJ.
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Re: The length we added is not playing
Nov 15, 2022, 1:01 PM
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I would say chase is way better at rebounding than dawes, Hemenway/beadle are bothe better rebounders than dawes, and Collins was a better rebounder than Galloway.
Lol About how Dawes was too small and not a good rebounder. He had a double-double in Seton Hall's last game with 10 rebounds. Halloway will use Dawes better than Coach Brownell did the last couple of seasons. Using him more in ball screens and less 3 pters shot. See link:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401485133
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Re: The length we added is not playing
Nov 15, 2022, 2:07 PM
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Lmao.
Nc tigs comes out of the woodwork, to bash our coach.
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I don't disagree with your concerns overall.
Nov 14, 2022, 12:37 PM
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I just don't think our problems are as serious as you do, nor do I view the outcomes as dismal as you seem to.
Chase Hunter is a good ball handler, but he can't play 40 minutes every game. I believe he's capable as our primary ball handler, and I am optimistic that our other guards can handle the ball adequately enough.
Beadle has been a non-factor the first two games, which is concerning to me because I expected at least a few baskets from him a game. He's been disappointing in a sense, but he is a freshman and I'm willing to give him more time.
I like Galloway and think he can help us. I believe he can be a consistent starter. He is a streaky shooter though.
With that said, I'd play Dillon Hunter more. He's very talented and a natural PG. He's as ready to play now as any freshman we've had in a long time. I think he can take Galloway's starting spot within the next 10-15 games if he develops as I think he can.
I agree about Hemenway. He's a better defender than a lot of people seem to give him credit for, but he isn't a lockdown defender like David Collins was. Ideally, Hemenway is our sixth man and gets 15-20 minutes a game, adjusted up or down if he's hitting his shots or not.
Our perimeter defense is a work in progress, but I'm not convinced that it's bad. I believe we will be better guarding the three this year than we were last year.
I am not against playing Tyson at the 3, especially with PJ back. Much of the discussion I recall having about Tyson playing in the post was based upon Hall being out. Now that PJ is back, we have a lot of flexibility with our frontline. We can adjust based on who we are playing against and what we are trying to do.
I'm all for playing the freshmen more, but if Brad had played the freshmen more against the Gamecocks I don't think we would've been in it late. The next few games are a great opportunity for them to get more minutes, but we do have some tougher games coming up later this month and next month. Gone are the days when we start the season with a bunch of patsies in November and December, allowing us to play freshmen more without any risk of losing.
I view Brad's job as being to put the best players on the court to give us the best chance to win. It's hard to fault him not playing the freshmen more if he doesn't feel they are ready. I don't think most fans (or Neff) are willing to sacrifice this season - or at least a sizable chunk of it - just to play young guys and develop them for the future. It's a balancing act, and I am optimistic we will see them get more minutes as the season progresses. Their potential is obvious.
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When we begin playing better teams
Nov 14, 2022, 12:56 PM
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the freshmen better be ready to go. Bellarmine likely gives us a run, so that leaves Upstate and Loy-MD to get the freshmen ready before tougher opponents start coming up.
Hemenway did nothing in Columbia. He's an 8th/9th man on a good team. He's one dimensional. Galloway has yet to play against a really good wing this year. He has never been known as a defender. GG was actually not used to his strengths against us Friday as their two, mediocre post guys were dominating us, keeping him away from the basket. Galloway on the typical, quicker wings we'll face will struggle to guard.
Dillon and Beadle simply have to play. If we want to have any chance come the new year, they need to be getting the much needed experience, which means, letting them play through screw ups and droughts. The only times Brad has done that in the past with freshmen was when he had no choice, as with Dawes or Rod Hall when we had no PG or Simms when Grantham got hurt. I don't personally think Tyson can guard quicker 3's, but we need to learn if he can.
Godfrey or Wiggins have to play at 3. We have little choice, unless Tyson can show he can do something he's never been asked to do in 4 years. Guard the wing.
Other than Chase, we are not athletic on the perimeter with Hemenway and Galloway out there.
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Re: When we begin playing better teams
Nov 14, 2022, 9:47 PM
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This is exactly right. For this team to be successful, we need the freshmen to contribute meaningfully and we CANNOT have Hemenway and Galloway playing so many minutes. Neither have the necessary athleticism to defend their positions effectively and they don’t provide enough on offense to offset it.
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Re: When we begin playing better teams
Nov 15, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Agree with everything except for Galloway.
I think Galloway is an acc quality starter. Maybe not on a top 3-4 team, but he can no doubt average double figures and hold his own defensively on this team. He is playing slightly out of position at 3.
Of the freshman, I really think RJ Godfrey is most needed. We could slide brevin to the 2 and start Godfrey at the 3. If he just helps defensively, rebounding, averages 6ppg, and doesn't turn the ball over, that would be enough for me. That seems attainable with him,
We shall see how it plays out. One of the freshman have to be able to play starter minutes for us to be successful.
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He has to play more than 3 minutes a game first***
Nov 15, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Re: He has to play more than 3 minutes a game first***
Nov 15, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Yes, he will bed to play more than 3 minutes a game to make the impact I described. I'm not Sauk g it will happen. Just saying he is the most natural fit in a position of need.
Thanks captain obvious.
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Re: I don't disagree with your concerns overall.
Nov 15, 2022, 12:03 PM
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"Gone are the days when we start the season with a bunch of patsies in November and December" as we play five patsies in a row to start our season.
This is why I've always disliked JK. He casually presents nonsense as fact. I'll pick the first five opponents of the last season of our previous five coaches and you tell me which is more difficult:
Brownell: Citadel, USC, USC Upstate, Bellarmine, Loyola
Purnell: Presbyterian, Liberty, UNC-G, Winthrop, Texas A&M
Shyatt: Wofford, High Point, Penn State, Maine, Gardner Webb
Barnes: UNC-W, Iona, Missouri St, Gonzaga, Kentucky
Ellis: UT Arlington, Charleston Southern, Furman, Minnesota, The Citadel
Foster: Wagner, Marquette, Furman, South Carolina, The Citadel
Yes, such a radical increase in quality of opponent. Poor Brad.
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