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Let's talk Russia, shall we?
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Aug 27, 2023, 10:47 PM
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That big bad menace of the East, with its two cities and hordes of potato-farming, shack-dwelling denizens who vote only-party ticket or get executed. That snaggle-toothed Siberian bear which hasn't produced a decent writer since Dostoevsky.
THIS is the country we fear? Cyrillic reading proles who can't trust their own media let alone themselves?
THIS is the country through which elaborately undiscoverable means and change Billy Bob's mind in Batesburg or Clarrisa's in Cleveland or Jataveon's Jamaica Heights?
Freakin' please. China could do us more damage just cutting off supplies of sunglasses or sneakers or silicone breast implants.
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Re: Let's talk Russia, shall we?
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Aug 27, 2023, 10:57 PM
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Or precious metals, which they now dominate. They have also infiltrated at least two of our people in Congress (that we know), but you know, Da Rushins gone control ye mind.
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Re: Let's talk Russia, shall we?
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Aug 28, 2023, 7:56 AM
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Russia in contrast has bulk. Petroleum, pig iron, fertilizers, food production...take that off the market and it's a massively bigger hit to the global economy than China has the capability of putting on us. This also means Russia can keep itself fed and keep the lights on; China has no long-range navy, which means they can be easily blockaded. For them, that's fatal. They import something like 75% of their energy, 50% of their food...and worse, they also have to import massive amounts of potash fertilizer to support their domestic food production. China's soil is horrible. If they get cut off from the global market, their lights go out in six weeks and they're starving to death in six months. (Tops.)
China's in an interesting position, because they need the global market to survive...and we're the mall cop. If you own a store in a mall, you can't just shoot the mall cop and carry on business as usual. Because Russia is self-sustaining, they're under a lot less compulsion to play nice.
Oh, and Russia has 5,800 nukes. China has something like 410.
China's economy is also circling the drain. Check out pics of their "ghost cities." They've overbuilt to something to the tune of 60 million units, and almost their population's entire capital is tied up in these (worthless) housing units. You're a financial guy, you know better than anyone what that means. They're in the process of a housing market collapse that will make 2008 for us look like a rounding error. Evergrande filed for bankruptcy, what, a week ago?
So it's hard to say, honestly, which of the two is more dangerous. The reality is they're an Axis because they have to be.
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^ This.
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Aug 28, 2023, 8:54 AM
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Ultimately, we can't afford to ignore or minimize either's potential to wreak havoc on the rest of us, albeit in different ways, while both have significant deficiencies that prevent that from happening in the foreseeable future.
If Russia takes Ukraine, would they be able to invade Poland or some other NATO nation, thus drawing us into even deeper? I don't know, but it has to be considered, and I think that's why we are spending $$$$$$$ there now.
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Re: ^ This.
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Aug 28, 2023, 9:33 AM
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I'm sure you know a fair bit of that was Zeihan all the way. Like, dude, I am hooked. I watch his Youtube stuff every day now.
My recollection of history re: Russia is that it tells us time and again imperial ambitions are best stopped early. Once an aggressor gets mo' going and can put itself on a war economy while sustaining itself with the loot of conquered territories, stuff seems to start getting scary in a hurry. The good news is Europe at least remembers this even if a fair number of Americans don't. They all seem very well-aware what happens next if an aggressive Russia gets off the leash...and if they get rolling, I can definitely see China piling on.
Hairy. It strikes me we're sorta taking a small risk of starting WW3...to stop an almost certain WW3.
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Re: Let's talk Russia, shall we?
Aug 27, 2023, 11:04 PM
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chuck dawrwin saying hello to ya'll boys one more time.
LMFAO
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Re: Let's talk Russia, shall we?
Aug 27, 2023, 11:10 PM
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So, you actually believe that Russia is a bigger threat to the United States than China?
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Six in one hand half a dozen in the other.
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Aug 27, 2023, 11:18 PM
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China is a bigger threat in terms of economic leverage, monetary policy, or cyber attacks. Russia is a bigger threat in terms of influencing US (and other countries) politics plus they're a bigger threat to NATO allies and Putin is his own kind of problem cause crazy. Anyone who thinks either is going to pose a conventional warfare threat is delusional.
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Re: Six in one hand half a dozen in the other.
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Aug 27, 2023, 11:25 PM
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So, what you're saying is China is a bigger threat to the United States.
I agree, and it's not even close.
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I honestly can't understand your logic.
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Aug 27, 2023, 11:33 PM
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You're clearly trying to make some sort of "why do we care so much about Russia" point, but it's not a one or the other scenario and we're probably closer to a US military involvement with Russia. The big takeaway from the last ____ years is the US needs to coordinate with our allies to be able to keep these two countries from growing their influence however you define that.
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Re: I honestly can't understand your logic.
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Aug 27, 2023, 11:55 PM
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China has the capability of competing with the United States on multiple levels. Between Russia and China, economic competition isn't even close. We are now behind China from a precious metals standpoint. China has placed spies on a senator and a member of the House of Reps. Russia has website propaganda. I could go on.
And, I'm not saying we shouldn't care about Russia, but when it comes to which country could hurt the US more, China is a mile ahead of Russia.
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But what does this have to do with current policy?
Aug 28, 2023, 12:00 AM
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I obviously think there's no importance in ranking one more threatening than the other, but let's pretend China is the bigger bad, what changes?
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Re: But what does this have to do with current policy?
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Aug 28, 2023, 12:08 AM
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That's a different question. The thread was comparing the China to Russia threat. We definitely need policies that will return the US to dominance in precious metals. This is an economic and military issue.
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We are too late to that party.
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Aug 28, 2023, 9:37 AM
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What rare Earth metal deposits they don’t have inside their borders, they have cinched up the rights to in South America. They have over half the world’s rare earth mining, and like 85% of rare earth processing. It’s why it makes such amazing sense that we are racing towards electric car mandates.
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Re: We are too late to that party.
Aug 28, 2023, 9:44 AM
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You really can't fight a war without them, at this point.
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It’s where the
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Aug 28, 2023, 9:50 AM
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“TRUMP WUZ A RUSSIN PUPPET!” Narrative falls apart for me. The oil drilling and production increases made under Trump that resulted in the race to the bottom, price-wise, with OPEC absolutely crushed Russia’s economy, and the Nordstream 2 ban did the same. With “friends” like that on the payroll, Russia wouldn’t need enemies.
Conversely, if you look at the moves Biden is making that favor China (and to be clear, I think the onshoring efforts are yet another money grab to the already wealthy, much like the PPP), it would have been the equivalent of Trump banning all forms of alcohol except vodka.
Occam’s razor wins both times.
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Re: It’s where the
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Aug 28, 2023, 10:03 AM
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I remember when Trump went to Europe and told the Germans it was a strategic mistake to buy natural gas from Russia. He also addressed this at the UN. Made sense then and it definitely makes sense now.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg&si=_SwWp98Pu00CXbZs
Yous is er Trumpskin types of responses in 3,2,1...
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I like his stuff but couple issues with this one
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Aug 28, 2023, 11:23 AM
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-not sure if the Japanese example is still salient given it happened before the great modern battery rush.
-he mentions ample processing capacity, which is a lot different issue from mining.
- in one of life’s great catch-22’s, do we really believe the same greenies pushing for these EV’s are going to allow the environmental nastiness that is a rare earth mine at any meaningful scale in their home countries? They just think fracking is bad, until they see what goes into Neodymium and cobalt mining . This seems destined to remain a NIMBY issue in most first world countries.
-as it pertains to EV’s, and until new tech batteries come along, lithium remains a big issue too. Most of it is in China, Bolivia, and Chile, and China has it all sewn up.
Until new tech comes along for battery construction, we are making China into a mini-OPEC if we have mass adoption of EV’s, methinks.
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Re: I like his stuff but couple issues with this one
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Aug 28, 2023, 11:41 AM
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What he was saying, though, was that you don't actually mine for the rare earths, you mine for nickel and copper and suchlike and then you produce those rare earths as a byproduct...we just weren't doing it because the Chinese are doing it so cheap there's no point at the moment. So the bottleneck would actually seem to be the actual processing, not the supply.
They can make the stuff more expensive, sure. But he was saying they actually do not have the power to cut us off.
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Fair point. In my admittedly non-expert base of knowledge,
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Aug 28, 2023, 12:20 PM
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Usually rare earth metals are mined together and then extracted using the nasty acid process he briefly referenced, so a rare earth mine is usually just that (like Round Top here in the US), with things like copper mines that happen to produce rare earth metals being less common although I guess they could figure that part out if push came to shove. They’re still environmental hellscapes that I don’t see being embraced at all.
The lithium concern still exists too I think, but I feel better that it will be solved sooner than later.
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Trump was doing this.
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Aug 28, 2023, 6:52 AM
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He said we'll produce more energy and sell it to Europe and Russia will fold. But nope. Bring in the fktrd regime and Russia’s profits are soaring.
So, now let’s save our UN brethren that are financing their “enemy”. Makes perfect sense to people that think women have dks.
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Does it bother you
Aug 28, 2023, 10:28 AM
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that US production is back to where it was right before the pandemic? Or nah?
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Does it bother you that neither level is high enough?***
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Aug 28, 2023, 10:30 AM
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But I thought our energy policy was wonderful under the
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Aug 28, 2023, 10:36 AM
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previous President and terrible under the current one. I mean, that's what you just said in the post I replied to. Are you having trouble making up your mind on this? Also, to be clear, US oil companies could produce FAR more than they did under Trump and far more than they're pumping out today, but they choose not to. Why would they, when every new quarter sets a new profit record?
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Trump ended many regulations
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Aug 28, 2023, 10:39 AM
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and opened up millions of acres for energy production. That all stopped (and then some) when Biden took office. I am sorry that you do not understand how long it takes to get oil from new ground. I am also sorry that you do not understand that 1/4ly profits have ZERO to do with it. DAF.
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Oh, I'm quite aware of how long it takes to begin production
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Aug 28, 2023, 11:21 AM
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on approved land. Could you kindly walk us through the existing 6,000+ approved permits that oil companies currently hold on 24,000,000 acres of US land that nothing is happening on? Are you saying the world would be an unrecognizeably better place because of an incremental 1-2 million acres of ANWR Trump approved for drilling?
And let's not skip past the fact that 90% of domestic onshore drilling is done on non-government land. But hey, it's Biden's fault.
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Re: Oh, I'm quite aware of how long it takes to begin production
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Aug 28, 2023, 12:48 PM
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You're delivering an epic beatdown. 👍
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It's like a grown adult kicking a toddler.***
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Aug 28, 2023, 3:49 PM
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Re: Oh, I'm quite aware of how long it takes to begin production
Aug 28, 2023, 10:04 PM
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There’s a lag variable in play here.
Govt land that has bee leased to private companies will not be developed if there are too many risk factors that make the ROI too hard to predict.
Let’s look at Alaska, where oil production has been steadily declining to the point where Alaska has fallen to ~ 4th place among oil producing states. (TX #1, followed by NM, ND, and then AK.)
Price of oil … expected to be stable or crash? (Who knows how long demand for gasoline will remain stable in light of politically influence that changes whenever the political party in charge also changes?) Regulations which restrict the techniques to get the oil out of the ground? Regulations which govern the amount of allowable spillage from the oil production process. Regulations which constrain the means by which oil can be transported from the fields to the oil tanker ships. Regulations which lead to the closure of West Coast USA refineries. Foreign policy - will USA have consistently effective foreign policy so that use of Panama Canal remains ‘exempt’ from restrictions? Taxes on produced oil, taxes on shipping. Are there big risks about increased taxes if admin goes from Republicans to Democrat?
(*). If the USA is to play a role as a geopolitical threat to Russia (as opposed to a military threat), then we need to take advantage of our withering giant in Alaska and to treat refining assets on the West Coast as national security assets.
Biden has taken advantage of the factors which were in place before his regime came to power. His energy policies have done nothing to establish the USA as a geopolitical competitor to Russia with respect to oil. His depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was for mid-term electoral ‘strategy’ purposes.
Instead of building us up to be an economic threat to Russia’s energy industry, we’ve been left to resort to a far more dangerous game of war via proxy.
Of all Biden’s foreign policy mistakes, his energy policy + military unpreparedness policy has got to be the worst.
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Re: Not sure I understand***
Aug 28, 2023, 10:05 PM
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He doesn’t either.
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Something, something, a shidd loada Nukes?***
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Re: Let's talk Russia, shall we?
Aug 28, 2023, 7:23 AM
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I know we are doing the right thing helping Ukraine, if Ukraine prevails. If Russia gets it all in the end it will be a blunder and a waste. I fully support Ukraine though. Putin is an evil dictator. His troops are on an evil path.
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Re: Let's talk Russia, shall we?
Aug 28, 2023, 7:53 AM
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Cyrillic reading proles who can't trust their own media let alone themselves?
The irony is strong here.
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Pawacoot reads Cyrillic?***
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I mean, look at him. Doesn't he seem like he would?***
Aug 28, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Re: I mean, look at him. Doesn't he seem like he would?***
Aug 28, 2023, 10:52 PM
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Ты доверяешь своим СМИ, Ката?
Вы доверяете себе?
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