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i disagree. I saw Butler play
Nov 5, 2013, 11:12 PM
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great, smooth, lightning quick and fast, great hands. He could play today. Sammy is the most explosive receiver i've ever seen with a Paw on his helmet. Nuk is the best overall receiver when you factor in his hands of glue and his ball skills. I'd take Nuk and Sammy over Butler. They are both bigger and more explosive athletes but Butler ain't far behind. It was a different time. Tuttle was right there with Butler but Butler had stupid speed. He had Cliff Branch speed for any old folks who remember that Raider from the '70's. What he didn't have was the physical strength of Sammy or Nuk. You didn't see Butler or Tuttle breaking many tackles or driving piles like Nuk and Sammy do. They have the advantage of world class strength training these days to but all things equal i'd take Sammy and Nuk over Jerry.
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Could Butler pluck a ball from the space like Nuk or Sammy?
Nov 5, 2013, 11:14 PM
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Those two are amazing in the way they can secure the ball way out in space, like picking fruit from a branch while on the run. Big hands help...
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he could go up and get it. Tuttle could too. Butler had
Nov 5, 2013, 11:20 PM
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a hell of a vertical as well. Nuk has crazy ball skills. Stuff you can't be taught. He goes up for balls like a DB and fights through the catch. Hands, wrists and forearms just mauling you for the ball. You wouldn't see that from Butler. Butler could probably hang with Sammy in a sprint but you didn't see Butler put his head down on a screen and run through a corner. Gardner had no speed to speak of but was strong as an ox. Butler had Sammy speed but wasn't strong as an ox. Nuk and Sammy have strength, hands, ball skills and Sammy has stupid speed. Nuk has crazy agility. They are all different but i'd take Nuk and Sammy with Butler and Tuttle and Gardner my next three. A VERY underrated receiver nobody talks about who was a ridiculously fast and agile player was Tony Horne. He had some knucklehead in him but he ended up a solid number three WR with St Louis and got a SB ring. Let the league in return yards one year. He had bad injury issues and he had some issues off the field at Clemson. That guy was a hell of a WR who played on some mediocre Clemson teams.
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i heard something about him trying to come back
Nov 5, 2013, 11:32 PM
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a couple of years ago. He had some sort of debilitating injury. I don't think it was his knee....something in his hip or something when he was in KC, i think. I think he's probably the most underrated WR in my lifetime at Clemson. Crazy athletic ability.
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had a buddy from HS in grad school interning
Nov 5, 2013, 11:28 PM
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in the athletic dept. during that time. Sad to say, but we had some knuckleheads on the team back then. It reflected on the field too. We had more talent at times than us fans thought we had. What we struggled with was character with some of those kids but we worked out of it eventually. Horne was lightning quick with great hands. I was at the '97 Chicken game when he brought one to the house on a punt return. I was in the end zone he was coming toward and it was like a video game. Met him after the game and that kid was about 5' 8" 175 max....smallest looking kid on the team. Standing next to Rahim Abdullah made him look like a HS player. That was the game that Antuan Edwards took a pick 6 back to the same end zone. I almost blew a blood vessel out of my head yelling that day.
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good stuff. Glad to hear that about him
Nov 5, 2013, 11:37 PM
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maturity is a wonderful thing. Sounds like he has things in perspective. He was the quickest, fastest guy on the field in an offense that was basically a stagnant HS offense. Him and Wyatt could have lit it up if we would have opened it up more. Wyatt was another one who had a case of the knucklehead at Clemson too. Heck of an athlete but immaturity got him too.
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Re: Could Butler pluck a ball from the space like Nuk or Sammy?
Nov 5, 2013, 11:58 PM
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In a word: YES
see "The Catch" posted anywhere on the historical sites....Fuller was trying to throw the ball through the end zone but Butler jumped up and grabbed it (on the goal line) and fell in for the winning touchdown. An amazing feat and Im glad I got to see him play.
He was so fast that his initials replaced "c" as the symbol for the speed of light in some engineering classes....he was that fast.
And a good all around guy who gave back to his community when he got the chance.
Sure Sammy is fast and Nuk was stronger and they both can hit hard...but its a different day and age now and its tough to compare the numbers of a guy playing in a run oriented, huddle offense to one playing in a pass happy, hurry up offense. Not to mention two more games a year.
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JB ran a 4.27 forty. I don't think they are more explosive
Nov 6, 2013, 11:48 AM
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than that. We only threw it about 15 times a game back then, so JB didn't have too many chances to show his speed.
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My top 10 and I've watching since 1965:
Nov 6, 2013, 5:11 AM
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1. Sammy
2. Nuk
3. JB
4. Terry Smith (writer above left him out)
5. Rod Gardner
6. Perry Tuttle
7. Aaron Kelly
8. Derek,Hamilton
9. Chansi Stuckey
10. Tony Horne, Airese Currie, Antwuan Wyatt tie
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Re: My top 10 and I've watching since 1965:
Nov 6, 2013, 6:13 AM
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Sammy will get consideration for my top spot when he leads the team to a win in Columbia when the game and season are on the line. And by the way, I have been watching since 1961.
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Yea, and a relative of Nuk I think.***
Nov 6, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Re: Jerry Butler may be the greatest Clemson receiver
Nov 6, 2013, 6:16 AM
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No disrespect to the others, but Jerry Butler had what was considered at the time, the greatest receiving game ever in the NFL when he played for the Buffalo Bills.
If you had seen the hiighlight reel of that game, you would have seen his fantastic ability to catch a ball.
If injuries had not cut his pro career short, he would have been a certain HOFer.
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It's hard to argue that a guy who was a first team AA as
Nov 6, 2013, 8:40 AM
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a true Freshman, not "Freshman AA" (joining only Herschel Walker, Marshall Faulk, and Adrian Peterson) is not the greatest at Clemson and maybe, when all is said and done, greatest in the ACC.
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Kenya Crooks.***
Nov 6, 2013, 8:42 AM
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