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In 30 years, the bombers can bundle for the DNC and teach at
Apr 15, 2013, 6:31 PM
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Some fancy elite university.....sound familiar?
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How many runs are you going to make at this topic?
Apr 15, 2013, 6:34 PM
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Seems like if you were effective or if people cared, you wouldn't have to repeat yourself over and over again. We get it, you don't like Bill Ayers.
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Re: How many runs are you going to make at this topic?
Apr 15, 2013, 6:36 PM
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Do you know what he and his witch did?
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Obviously...what does it have to do with anything today
Apr 15, 2013, 6:37 PM
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Why do you keep repeating yourself?
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If he stops talking about it...
Apr 15, 2013, 6:41 PM
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Obummer's relationship with Ayers will go away?
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Re: If he stops talking about it...
Apr 15, 2013, 6:43 PM
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Oh, it does not matter, they were cool and so is Barack.....
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I'm sorry, when I see American's with their legs blown off
Apr 15, 2013, 6:45 PM
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I don't immediately find fault in the president. Of course, I'm a normal human with feelings and compassion and not out to shove my message down everyones throat. I had friends running in the race, and I'm pretty f'ing sure Bill Ayers isn't the reason why they are totally devastated at the moment. You want to hate the president, go ahead, it's your God given right as an American, but a little tact would be nice at this moment.
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Tact is rarely a form that I use when expressing
Apr 15, 2013, 6:49 PM
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disdain for the current pos POTUS.
Thanks for your concern though.
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Re: I'm sorry, when I see American's with their legs blown off
Apr 15, 2013, 6:50 PM
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I do not hate Barack Obama but I hate the fact tht the left coddles and celebrates old radical bombers who did this ##### 40 years ago. I am mad as hell about what happended today and the cops and Brinks truck drivers who got wasted by Obama's buddies.
I'm not happy about the holocause or the purges either. When stuff like this happens, it reminds me of evil which should not be forgiven or go unpunished.
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Lumbee, can you name a single poster on this board
Apr 15, 2013, 7:12 PM
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who coddles and celebrates Bill Ayers? Go ahead, we'll wait. Matter of fact, name some liberals in the real world that coddle and celebrate Bill Ayers. Again...we'll wait. The nebulous specter of the "Left" is some creation in your mind. The only thing that was ever really in question about Bill Ayers was NOT whether anything he did was acceptable or not--it most certainly wasn't, not to any remotely sane person. It was about the extent of his purported relationship with Obama. You like to think it was much deeper and more meaningful than most people do. Maybe it was. Can you prove it?
But seriously, stop with the strawmen about people coddling Bill Ayers. That's disingenuous bulllshit, and you know it.
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wait...I don't agree with a lot of Lumbee posts...
Apr 16, 2013, 8:28 AM
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and certainly not his original post that started this thread...
However, to say Bill Ayers isn't and has never been celebrated by liberals in the real world is not true.
A few examples off the top of my head:
- He was awarded Citizen of the Year (or something to that effect) by the City of Chicago in the 1990's
- He was a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois/Chicago. They tried to give him emeritus status, but it was shot down by Christopher Kennedy.
- He is/was on the Board of Directors of the Woods Fund.
- He is "special guest"/"keynote speaker" at various events that are normally "liberal" in nature.
I don't believe all liberals are in love with Ayers, by any means....but some certainly DO celebrate him.
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Way to go, Lumbee. All new low.***
Apr 16, 2013, 8:05 AM
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Re: Way to go, Lumbee. All new low.***
Apr 16, 2013, 9:22 AM
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....the truth hurts.
I am beyound sick of nutjobs killing innocents. We Americans are getting a taste of what innocents abroad face every day and it stinks.
I have for years been sick of the left celebrating the lives of criminal terrorists, cop killers and perpetrators of genocide that they think are "cool".
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Timothy McVeigh was a right winger.
Apr 16, 2013, 9:36 AM
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What difference does it make? They are nutjobs and political affiliation is secondary to that.
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Glad you're politicizing a tragedy within 24 hours...
Apr 16, 2013, 9:38 AM
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Jackleg.
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
Apr 16, 2013, 9:43 AM
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Cliff's Notes for you then.
A post was made politicizing the attack by referencing a left wing nut job who made a bomb.
I responded that this was a pointless argument in that bombers are crazy first, and that political views are ancillary to that issue.
Hopefully you will move up to the green reading level and understand simple posts on your own one day soon.
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Re: Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
Apr 16, 2013, 9:48 AM
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Hahaha, are you kidding?! I'm responding to the original post.
So, Lumbee, let me get this straight:
Kaczyinski taints the left because, after all, he was a left-winger AND he went to an elitist univeristy.
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McVeigh "doesn't count" because, although he was a radical right-winger, he's too stupid? So, in a sense, the political right gets off?
Are you people real?
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Re: Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
Apr 16, 2013, 9:54 AM
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No- You missed the point. My gripe is that leftist scum gets celebrated by the mainstream left. Show me where the right does this.
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Who, exactly, is being celebrated? And by what sources
Apr 16, 2013, 9:56 AM
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of this "mainstream" media?
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Re: Who, exactly, is being celebrated? And by what sources
Apr 16, 2013, 10:02 AM
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I said mainstream left, not media but if you read the NY Time obits of various leftist dogs, you get a sense for their love of "The Revolution" as hippies and other reprobates called it. Cop killers, CHe, Mao, Weather Underground etc are celebrated in popular American and European leftist culture. It reeks, IMO.
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Can you give one example, and not a Hannity/ Rush quote
Apr 16, 2013, 10:03 AM
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saying it?
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Re: Can you give one example, and not a Hannity/ Rush quote
Apr 16, 2013, 10:22 AM
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I bet there are 200k idiots wearing Che t-shirts today in the U.S......
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And I see far more people wearing confederate flag shirts.
Apr 16, 2013, 10:29 AM
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They ain't all Skynard fans.
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If they aint Skynard fans
Apr 16, 2013, 10:30 AM
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they should be.....
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Re: Can you give one example, and not a Hannity/ Rush quote
Apr 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
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Fair. But do you think all of those 200k idiots could correctly tell you if Che was left- or right-leaning? They couldn't, because they don't know. They like the stupid t-shirt. That's where it ends.
Also, let's take a look at the world's most notorious leftist regimes:
Cuba: We don't talk to them. You can't even go there as a tourist.
North Korea: We don't talk to them. Going there as an American is possible, but extremely difficult and expensive.
China: We didn't talk to them for nearly 30 years. Even today, our relationship with them is contentious at best.
The point I'm making here, is that it not about left vs. right... It's about extremeists. On both sides. For you to categorize a terrorist as a run-of-the-mill Democrat or Republican isn't just stupid, but shortsighted, ridiculous, unfair, and insensitive.
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Re: Can you give one example, and not a Hannity/ Rush quote
Apr 16, 2013, 11:18 AM
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Did not do that though. I said for us to quit makign excuses for nutjobs regardless of their poltical leanings.
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Agree 100%
Apr 16, 2013, 11:21 AM
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Any apologist for someone that kills/attempts to kill innocent people is a scumbag.
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Re: Agree 100%
Apr 16, 2013, 11:23 AM
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Yes and time does not heel this with regard to the unrepentant murderer/terrorist....
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OK, Fact Time.
Apr 16, 2013, 2:04 PM
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None of the bombings Bill Ayers has been accused of involvement in resulted in injuries of any sort, and the only people killed by the Weather Underground was their own members, accidentally.
I know that won't change your opinion about him, just saying.
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Wasn't the bomb that went off accidentally...
Apr 16, 2013, 2:12 PM
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a nail bomb?
I understand that Ayers was never accused of bombings that killed anyone (except the buddy and Ayers' girlfriend) but that doesn't mean that they weren't trying...unless there is some application for a nail bomb that I'm unaware of.
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Maybe they were roofers looking for a competitive advantage.***
Apr 16, 2013, 2:18 PM
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All the offices they bombed were after hours...
Apr 16, 2013, 2:23 PM
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... and when they bombed the police station, they called and warned them. That's just their history, but not their projected history.
I don't think these people were heroes, and even they admit now they were counterproductive.
But I also think people can change after making mistakes, and it appears that Mr. Ayers has led a productive life after changing his rough and rowdy ways. I dare say that if his politics were right wing, Lumbee would consider him an inspiration.
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Wait...has Ayers changed? From what I've read of his....
Apr 16, 2013, 2:46 PM
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comments, he doesn't appear remorseful in the least.
And bombing something is bad...doesn't matter if it's after hours or not...doesn't matter if they warn them or not.
And making nail bombs was for...what?
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Lumbee called him a murderer.
Apr 16, 2013, 3:03 PM
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I just pointed out how he was wrong in that regard.
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You also said this...
Apr 16, 2013, 3:08 PM
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I don't think these people were heroes, and even they admit now they were counterproductive.
But I also think people can change after making mistakes, and it appears that Mr. Ayers has led a productive life after changing his rough and rowdy ways. I dare say that if his politics were right wing, Lumbee would consider him an inspiration.
Which the facts don't seem to support.
I've never said Ayers was a murderer...but he was/is a terrorist and I don't believe him to be remorseful in the least. And the fact that some people choose to celebrate him or anything he does is a head-scratcher to me. In my book, if you're a un-remorseful terrorist, then eff you and I don't give a crap what other good things you might have done.
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Who the F is celebrating him???
Apr 16, 2013, 3:20 PM
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Lumbee continues to bring him up like he's freaking Secretary of State or something.
So... what's your opinion of Oliver North? Gordon Liddy?
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So what about my other question?
Apr 16, 2013, 3:27 PM
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What do you think of Oliver North? Gordon Liddy?
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What I know of Oliver North was that he...
Apr 16, 2013, 3:37 PM
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was a US Marine and National Security Council staff under Reagan. Was involved in the Iran-Contra issue and initially convicted on 3 counts, that were later over-turned by higher courts.
I don't know much about Gordon Liddy.
What's your point and how do either of these folks compare to terrorists?
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I'd say Ollie North compares very well to terrorists.
Apr 16, 2013, 3:44 PM
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He played two sets of terrorists off on each other, and many people DIED as a result. His convictions were overturned due to a technicality. And Gordon Liddy is a convicted felon, burglar and spy-for-hire. Both committed political crimes, and neither is repentant, yet both are "celebrated" profusely by the right wing.
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In the rankings of relative morality, I'm not sure if
Apr 16, 2013, 3:57 PM
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one who has sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution of the US deciding to wipe his #### with that Constitution can even come close to an idealistic idiot that made really bad bombs.
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Holy Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and Pablo
Apr 16, 2013, 4:46 PM
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Who is comparing Iran Contra to the Marathon Bombing. Lumbee was the one who decided to talk about Ayers and Obama when they hadn't even started pulling the nails out of people yet.
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Scratch that...was a typo...see above.***
Apr 16, 2013, 4:53 PM
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Kilgore is relating Ayers to North
Apr 16, 2013, 4:58 PM
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Neither of whom have anything to do with what happened yesterday, both of whom royally f'ed up at some point in their life, but seem to have done o.k. for themselves lately. I don't have a fat head or even a poster of either of them in my rec room.
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Self proclaimed revolutionaries blowing #### up is hardly
Apr 16, 2013, 4:30 PM
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a "man I made some dumb decisions in my younger days" type of thing.
At least in my opinion.
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Lumbee
Apr 16, 2013, 10:11 AM
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I respectfully disagree. I am an avid reader of the Times, and, I'm sorry, but for as "left" as you feel it may be, it's about a hundred times more anti-violence. These figures and groups might be discussed for their historical place, but they are not celebrated.
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Re: Well crap then. Sorry about that.***
Apr 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
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No worries at all, it happens.
I just think it sucks when we all can't come together when something as anti-American as terrorism kills and injures innocent Americans. It's just one of those things we all agree on as being vile and against our way of life. To politicize this kind of an event marginalizes what has happened. I think, as Americans, terrorism is an act of cowardice no matter where your views fall within the political spectrum.
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Re: Timothy McVeigh was a right winger.
Apr 16, 2013, 9:40 AM
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It makes no difference. McVeigh was not worth the electricity it took to fry him.... At least we know that he could not have been rehabilitated into a trusted professor/ advisor to mainstream pols/board member etc...
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You are partially wrong.
Apr 16, 2013, 9:44 AM
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McVeigh was either shot or given lethal injection, but the rest holds true.
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The low is the positon of honor the Obamas and other
Apr 16, 2013, 9:31 AM
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lefties give to scum like Bill and Bernadette...
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