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I don't know about that but anyone who gets their panties in a knot
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for him saying "heart shaped hands" in reference to the heart sign she makes is an idiot and is another in a long line of examples of what is wrong with America in 2024.
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Re: I don't know about that but anyone who gets their panties in a knot
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May 8, 2024, 2:13 PM
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Agree. And he’s an azzhat
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What he said was weird and creepy
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May 8, 2024, 2:42 PM
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The IndyStar writer made a heart with his hands to Clark, a gesture Clark often used during her college basketball career.
Clark responded, “You like that?” Doyel replied, “I like that you’re here,” and Clark explained, “Yeah, I do that at my family after every game.” Then Doyel added, “Start doing it to me and we’ll get along just fine.”
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Wow thats super creepy.***
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May 8, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Dont you flash heart signs to Brad each game?***
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May 9, 2024, 9:50 AM
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They both have their crushes
May 9, 2024, 9:57 AM
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lol
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Yes that's him. He's always been a ##### nozzle. Surprised he still had a job.
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May 8, 2024, 2:11 PM
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Yes***
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May 8, 2024, 2:17 PM
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He wrote this in 2002....
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May 8, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Clemson football: Big myth
What did this university do to earn title 'football school?'
GREGG DOYEL
The biggest myth in college football is Clemson, and not because N.C. State took a switch to the Tigers' backsides Thursday, or even because Clemson might only break even this season.
Why is Clemson a "football school," anyway? Because the basketball is so bad? It takes more than a glorious decade under the regime of two cheaters -- the wobbly stilts holding up the mirage of Clemson's palace.
Clemson did win a national championship, but that was 21 years ago, thanks to recruiting violations committed by Charley Pell and his replacement, Danny Ford.
Since then, Brigham Young and Washington have won titles, too. Are they football schools? Overall, Minnesota has four national titles, Army two, and even lowly Maryland has one.
And they didn't cheat.
This is a football school? Since 1959, Clemson hadn't won more than six games until Pell arrived in 1977 and went 8-3-1.
This is a football school? Ford averaged 8.7 victories from 1979 through '89, a regime kick-started by Pell's NCAA violations. After a lull in 1984 and '85 when Clemson went 7-4 and 6-6, Ford got the Tigers over the hump thanks to new violations that led to his ouster in 1989 -- after three straight ill-begotten 10-2 seasons.
This is a football school? Ford's replacement, Ken Hatfield, had three good seasons, but they were aided by Ford's tainted stockpile of talent. Since Hatfield left in 1993, Clemson has gone 57-46 under Tommy West and Tommy Bowden.
Old-time Clemson fans cling to the legend of Frank Howard like my 4-year-old clings to his dingy, shredded blanket.
Let's look at the legend of Frank Howard. He coached in 1940-69, and he coached well. He won 58 percent of his games, which means he won more than he lost, but he didn't win as much as Georgia Tech's George O'Leary (61.2 percent), Maryland's Jerry Claiborne (67.1) or Bobby Ross (66.9), N.C. State's #### Sheridan (63.7), Virginia's George Welsh (60.8) or North Carolina's Mack Brown (59.9).
Dadgum, Howard didn't even win as often as Bowden -- Tommy, not Bobby -- who has won 59.1 percent of his games in three-plus seasons at Clemson.
Still, Tigers fans are ready to look for a new coach because this is Clemson, and Clemson football is a winner, and they will simply not stand for a coach who might just break even this season.
You'd think Clemson fans would be used to it by now. The Tigers have finished .500 or worse 18 times in the past 49 years. There would have been more, no doubt, but the 15 years from 1977 through '91 were bloated by the violations of Pell and Ford.
This is a football school? Well, maybe it is. If you ask some Clemson fans to name their dream coach, they hock up a familiar name.
Danny Ford.
Some myths never die.
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Re: He wrote this in 2002....
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May 8, 2024, 2:22 PM
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I certainly don't like him now!
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Doyle was that ridiculous brand of sports reporter that thought they had to
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May 8, 2024, 3:04 PM
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be edgy and biting with their views on everything...like anyone is actually clamoring for that?
Anyway, that was decades ago (I remember it...I remember it boiling my blood at the time) and the guy has since dealt with (apparently...by this own admission) some depression issues. Hopefully he's doing okay now. This recent "heart hand" thing doesn't seem like a big deal...Clark didn't seem particularly upset by it. Just awkward. Awkward happens. I don't think he meant anything more by it.
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Re: Doyle was that ridiculous brand of sports reporter that thought they had to
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May 8, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Not a big deal? It was sexist and creepy. She's 22 years old and he's some 55 year old man suggesting she should be sending him special heart messages? Sexist, creepy and totally unprofessional.
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If you think so. I mean, it was obviously unprofessional and awkward...
May 8, 2024, 4:03 PM
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"sexist" in the fact that he would not have said it to a man, but not in a way that implies that he thinks less of women or Clark. Doyle has been writing, often caustically, about sports for over two decades. Has he exhibited any negative behaviors toward women in that time? I don't know of any, but of course don't really pay attention since he...apparently...covers Indianapolis sports now?
I just go to intent. Do I think Doyle intended to hit on her, sexualize her, demean her in any way? No, I don't. Was Clark hurt in any way (I haven't seen if she has made any comment about it)? I don't think so. The very fact that he said it in the middle of a press conference implies that he certainly didn't intend it to be inappropriate. So, to me, no biggie. An apology was appropriate for, as he put it, the "oafish" behavior. To me, that should do it.
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I think we have different definitions for Sexist.
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May 8, 2024, 6:30 PM
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One definition of "sexist" is "relating to, involving, or fostering sexism, or ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIOR TOWARD SOMEONE BASED ON THE PERSON'S GENDER" (caps mine). We agree that he never would have said that to a man and therefore agree he said it to Clark solely because she's a woman. In my book that's sexist.
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Well we hadnt done much over the preceding decade
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May 8, 2024, 3:11 PM
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And his job was not to report news but to write opinion.
Meh. looking at where we were in 2002 he makes some good points. Of course he is being a little bit more of a d1ckhayde than I’d like - but whatever.
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It was an assault and it deserved a counter-assault.
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May 8, 2024, 4:43 PM
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It was a personal attack against Clemson fans and while it had some truth (like nearly anything) it also had exaggeration and spite. It was a bad article and it deserves our derision.
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Yeah, he was a professional troll that covered the ACC
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May 8, 2024, 2:47 PM
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He was basically the writer equivalent of Paul Finebaum. He wrote some really inflammatory stuff about Clemson football back in the early-to-mid 2000s, but his writing wasn't limited to just Clemson. That was his schtick... riling up fan bases for clicks.
He also used to have a shaved head with a mohawk down the center. He was just a super ###### in every possible sense.
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Re: Gregg Doyal
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May 8, 2024, 3:19 PM
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He pointed to Army as a school that didn’t cheat to win their national titles (‘44, ‘45 and ‘46). I guess the whole World War II thing where all of the great players and coaches went to the service academies escaped his research.
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May 8, 2024, 3:24 PM
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...he was.
Saw that, and yes he is a complete a$$hat.
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Re: Gregg Doyal
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May 8, 2024, 3:42 PM
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Just another jassack who hates Clemson. No news here.
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Re: Gregg Doyal
May 8, 2024, 3:59 PM
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Just as it should be. You act like a jerk, you will be treated as if you are a jerk.
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Thats him. Still struggling with a career.***
May 8, 2024, 7:22 PM
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