How come people want to protect marriage from the gheys?

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If you are interested, here is some thoughts I have shared

Mar 27, 2013, 4:55 PM

in some conversations on this today:

As a Christian, I believe that man and/or government has about as much right to redefine what composes the institution of marriage as they do the right to redefine the composition of water. However, in reaction to those opposed to natural law (i.e. even if people ignore special revelation, i.e. the Bible, you have to work hard to ignore natural law when it comes to God's design of man and woman; though ignoring it is to be expected by an unbelieving world; see Romans 1:18-32), Congress and the states sought to protect the vulnerable foundation of our society with state constitutional amendments (31, over three fourths of the states have taken this extraordinary step), state laws (only New Mexico leaves it undefined), and the passage of DOMA.

There is a very real threat that states will be required to recognize other states' same-sex "marriages," either through misuse of the U.S. Constitution's full faith and credit clause or by judicial fiat.

Even when the first state in the nation had same-sex "marriage" foisted on it by the state supreme court, the Massachusetts court appealed to states-rights principles in defending its decision: "We would not presume to dictate how another State should respond to today's decision. But neither should considerations of comity prevent us from according Massachusetts residents the full measure of protection available under the Massachusetts Constitution. The genius of our Federal system is that each State's Constitution has vitality specific to its own traditions . . . ."

Millions of voters across the United States have voted to protect marriage in their state constitutions. Marriage predates government. Marriage is society's least restrictive means to ensure the well-being of children as well as society. State recognition of marriage protects children by encouraging men and women to commit to each other and to take responsibility for their children. It is the fundamental building block of all human civilization. Marriage has a public purpose that transcends its private purposes and that is why 41 states affirm that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Keep in mind, that our country was established on strong Judeo Christian values and influence. There was a recognition then and up until recently in our nation, that a country with strong marriages and families results in a healthy and strong country. Thus, the government and nation had vested interest in making marriage to be as attractive and beneficial as possible. Of course, our society has made a mess out of marriage in general (particularly "Christians") as our views and commitment to Covenant marriage have dwindled. And our society today suffers accordingly. My point is this, the upholding of marriage is not a civil rights or equality issue. Perhaps government should not have any hand in regulating or defining marriage, but should leave that to churches, but their reason for doing so in the manner they have done so throughout history was right and good. They knew it was the basic building block of a strong society.

Our government did not create marriage, they simply through natural law and logic and understanding, affirmed what had always been. And saw it as "good." Because it was good.

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God designed and defined marriage (from my Biblical perspective) at Genesis 1:26-28, 2:20-24. Jesus affirms the same at Matthew 19:4-6. The Bible is transparent and honest about how messed up people were and are (even God's people). Thus, the need for redemption. Remember, Abram was a pagan idolater when God called him to himself. My point is that none of the polygamy seen in the Bible is affirmed by God and actually the destructive consequences of such behavior is plainly seen in families and to the nation of Israel. Polygamy was just another one of those evils in the world that many adopted as acceptable, but it was never affirmed by the Lord or His prophets or His apostles.

The idea that homosexuality is isolated to the OT is not Biblical. See Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Jude 1:4-7 for specific reference and their are other passages that would imply this sin along with many others.

And Jesus never throws out the Old Testament. In Matthew 5:17, he says He did not come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. And He did. He kept the Law perfectly for us and He fulfilled the prophecies as well, proving to be God in the flesh, and the only perfect and acceptable sacrifice for sins.

All of the Old Testament points to Jesus. Hebrews and other NT passages help clarify how the civil and ceremonial laws have been completed in Christ and so dietary, civil and sacrificial laws are no longer in play, though the general equity of them in principle are very helpful to us still.

The moral law is still in full effect and does three things: 1. Retrains evil in this messed up world 2. Shows us our need for Jesus the Savior of sinners (because we all fall short) 3. Guides and tutors us in all truth once we belong to Jesus.

Jesus coming was about salvation from sins for those He came to save, atoning for their sins, and freeing us from the wrath due to sin. Salvation and justification is 100% by grace through faith.

Jesus also calls us to sanctification (dying more and more to sin and living more and more to righteousness). And as He Himself confirmed the prophets we would do well to let Malachi's voice echo in our own ears, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" (Mal. 5:20) Since John 1 refers to Jesus as the Word who was in the Beginning and who became flesh and dwelt among us, we do well to remember that Malachi's words are the words of Jesus.

Gheys are gross - that seems to be one argument***

If you consider them gross, are they more gross if

I don't consider them gross, I love the gheys

No kiddin...

Wait, wut?

Yes...according to the below topic

Re: Yes...according to the below topic

Many want to make getting out of divorce harder.

ugh. I meant getting a divorce.***

Maybe we should make getting married harder for everybody.***

You mean I can't get married by a drunk Elvis

This is our greatest American:

you're right...

because people are ignorant hypocrites***

this also applies to leftists who support taxes and

The rich are ghey

If you are interested, here is some thoughts I have shared

Re: If you are interested, here is some thoughts I have shared

If there is any chance at all that I could possibly convince

I can.

while I think there's a place for religious arguments...

Re: while I think there's a place for religious arguments...

I think your perceived agenda is imagined.

I think it affects society in a major way...

Some of those things aren't consenting adults so are

Re: Some of those things aren't consenting adults so are

While marriage is confirmed, polygamy is never condemned

Just to clarify on polygamy...

Off the top of my head...

Anyone teaching a homosexual situation...

I've vacationed in Uganda and Rwanda and been along

I think it comes down to how one views the Bible...

As sins go, neither of them made the top ten!***

Polygamy was not OK in the Bible...

sorry for the double post, I messed up the subject line

Can you possibly explain to me why the bible be against

It took a little while, but I knew someone would bring up

should definitely get rid of no fault divorce

You know what would be cool?

The minority who feels oppressed is always the 'starter'

Re: The minority who feels oppressed is always the 'starter'

I think that might have the reverse effect you want though..

maybe...

I'm not sure what damage has actually been done...

there are many filings done under

Your sentiments are understandable.

I think it would be because of a literal interpretation

here's my take...

Deer ghey peeple. Be careful what you ask for, you might get

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