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If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 9:31 AM
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could it be a blessing in disguise? one less game played which would mean less chance for injury, etc. Plus it means we wouldn't play in the ob again and face a big least school. We would likely end up with an at large bid to a better BCS bowl.
Just my .02
btw freedom costs 1.05
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 9:33 AM
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Absolutely. Playing a big east opponent would SUCK!
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Nah I'd rather win back to back titles.***
Nov 2, 2012, 9:37 AM
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All-In [28802]
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even if everybody else was 8-4 or worse?
Nov 2, 2012, 11:22 AM
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or even if we lost to SCU again? At some point, unless the other teams in the conference are perceived as being good and unless we have success outside the conference, it's not going to matter to anybody but us (and not even all of us) whether we win the ACCC or not.
FSU needs to win out, Clemson needs to win out, and all the other teams we're playing and have played need to win out (except when playing Clemson, of course).
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There is no blessing in not being the champion of
Nov 2, 2012, 9:52 AM
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a weak conference.
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Re: There is no blessing in not being the champion of
Nov 2, 2012, 10:06 AM
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IMO having two teams go 11-1 and be ranked in the top 10 is possibly our best scenario period. I hate that we didn't beat FSU but them losing doesn't help the weak conference argument.
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Seriously? You folks clearly do not get how bad the ACC is
Nov 2, 2012, 3:57 PM
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and how much of a joke the ACC is in the eyes of the media and rest of college football.
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Re: Seriously? You folks clearly do not get how bad the ACC is
Nov 2, 2012, 5:22 PM
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do you have a point to your response to a point i made about the ACC being weak?
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That's assuming we do get an at large bid
Nov 2, 2012, 9:54 AM
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some things have to happen first...
A BCS bowl win > ACC championship
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You are assuming
Nov 2, 2012, 9:56 AM
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that we win that BCS game if we get invited. Also assuming that FSU wins against the Big Least school to be names later. I would rather Clemson win the title and be in control of stomping Louisville or whoever else is sent to play the ACC in the Orange Bowl.
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Re: You are assuming
Nov 2, 2012, 10:04 AM
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I personally dont care if fsu wins or not if they make the ob. I'm assuming we go 11-1 and get an at large bid.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Thats a big assumption
Nov 2, 2012, 10:42 AM
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There are 4 at-large bigs.
The SEC will get one of them
ND is in
Boise State is looking pretty good to slip in and steal one
If either Oregon or K-State don't win their conference with 1 loss, they are in.
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Re: Thats a big assumption
Nov 2, 2012, 10:49 AM
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I think we'd have a chance to beat out a 1 loss oregon or k state because its a late season loss.
boise st doesnt have a chance imo. 1 loss and ranked to low right now and they've only made a bcs bowl after going undefeated.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Boise State could be an automatic bid
Nov 2, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Its like 4 or 5 conferences (WAC, Mt West etc) that if their champions are in the top 16 AND finish higher than any other BCS conference champion, they automatically go.
Right now BSU is higher than the Big 10 front runner (Nebraska) and will likely move up 3 spots just due to attrition of others above them. If they get up to 12 (doubtful) they are in regardless.
Unless either Oregon or K-State get absolutely blown out in their 1 loss, they aren't falling below us.
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Re: Boise State could be an automatic bid
Nov 2, 2012, 11:23 AM
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I forgot about the top 16 crap....if it happens i'd think it depends on who beats oregon or k state.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So you're saying...
Nov 2, 2012, 12:12 PM
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Your ##### are not as good as Ball State?
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As of right now. Coots could fall hard after losing to
Nov 2, 2012, 12:15 PM
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my Hogs and then struggling with the Terriers.
Right now teams that the Tigers have beaten are a combined 23-36 with Ball St the only one with a winning record.
all I'm saying
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I'm sorry, did you answer the question in there somewhere?***
Nov 2, 2012, 12:17 PM
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Of course they're not. At this moment in time
Nov 2, 2012, 12:23 PM
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Ball St is Clemson's quality win. Coots could fall hard after losing to unranked and pitiful UA team, potentially out of top 25.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Oh ok, so then...
Nov 2, 2012, 12:24 PM
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You got a little confused when you said, "not going ahead of them when the quality win is Ball St".
Thanks for confirming.
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CU Guru [1838]
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Are you an ### to everyone or just on TNet?***
Nov 2, 2012, 12:26 PM
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Why are you complaining? You obviously deserve it...***
Nov 2, 2012, 12:28 PM
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CU Guru [1838]
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I just made a very astute observation that on Nov 2
Nov 2, 2012, 12:35 PM
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the quality win is Ball St. After next weekend, who knows where the Coots will be when my Hogs get finished with them and we know how Wofford does against them.
Either K State or Oregon's resume would be much more impressive.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Astute observation? LOL. You mean "wrong"?***
Nov 2, 2012, 1:03 PM
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CU Guru [1838]
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How is it wrong?
Nov 2, 2012, 1:09 PM
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"not going ahead of them when the quality win is Ball St".
Key word "is". Not "will be"
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Rock Defender [54]
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Come on, elcock...
Nov 2, 2012, 1:12 PM
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The bowls aren't played tomorrow.
Please think harder before posting again.
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CU Guru [1838]
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Seriously
Nov 2, 2012, 1:16 PM
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Any of the undefeated teams even with 1 loss are going to be miles ahead because of their SOS. Tough draw on this year to play Auburn, Va Tech, and GT as they all suck this year and are killing the computer rankings. Even a 2 loss LSU is still going to get in before Clemson I would guess as their two losses are to Bama and UF.
Just think about it like this, if you were the Sugar Bowl, who would you take, a 1 loss Notre Dame team or a 1 loss Clemson team? With the Tigers big wins being over who? As to ND's being over Oklahoma, Stanford, and so on.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Cool story bro'..
Nov 2, 2012, 1:23 PM
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But you were still wrong.
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Re: Seriously
Nov 2, 2012, 1:56 PM
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copied from chriswalk21 below....
cant even come up with original thoughts.
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CU Guru [1838]
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Yes I did, figured Stanley would attack cause I said it
Nov 2, 2012, 2:01 PM
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worked.
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Re: Yes I did, figured Stanley would attack cause I said it
Nov 2, 2012, 2:02 PM
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actually he didn't attack that. he is still "attacking" the fact that you were wrong initially.
at least that's how I read it.
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CU Guru [1838]
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I repeat, as of right now, Ball St is quality win
Nov 2, 2012, 2:05 PM
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USuC probably will be, barring a meltdown against Wofford. Even with a win over Coots, hard to beat their resumes.
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Re: I repeat, as of right now, Ball St is quality win
Nov 2, 2012, 2:09 PM
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so now your coots aren't going to lose to arkansas?
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CU Guru [1838]
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I am picking MY Hogs to beat them, I actually went to
Nov 2, 2012, 2:12 PM
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U of A. So they may or may not be ranked if and when Clemson beats them.
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Re: I am picking MY Hogs to beat them, I actually went to
Nov 2, 2012, 2:15 PM
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soooooo dook wouldn't be a more quality win than ball st?
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CU Guru [1838]
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It's a push
Nov 2, 2012, 2:25 PM
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I think Ball St has received at least some votes in the polls
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Hall of Famer [21877]
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really dude????
Nov 2, 2012, 2:27 PM
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do you watch football or know anything about it?
Dook - 6-3 with losses to Stanford, VT, FSU
ball st. - 6-3 losses to Clemson, Kent St, Northern Illinois
you really think it'd be a push?
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CU Guru [1838]
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Sagarin Duke 76 Ball St 78***
Nov 2, 2012, 2:30 PM
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Ball St has the higher EloChess
Message was edited by: elcid1985®
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Re: Saharin Duke 76 Ball St 78***
Nov 2, 2012, 2:31 PM
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whats saharin? is that part of the sahara desert?
also, not sure if you understand it or not but 76 is better than 78.....
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CU Guru [1838]
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The Saharin was the ones who judged Jesus
Nov 2, 2012, 2:42 PM
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I corrected and and yes 76 is better, far better, vastly better. and you do realize elo chess goes into BCS where the larger number is better. so one is better in one, the other in the other, commonly known as a push.
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Re: The Saharin was the ones who judged Jesus
Nov 2, 2012, 2:54 PM
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you do realize that the overall Sagarin RATING is a synthesis of the two diametrical opposites, ELO CHESS and PURE POINTS (PREDICTOR)
Meaning that ELO chess is directly correlated to the sagarin rating.
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You're going to argue over the third decimal place?
Nov 2, 2012, 3:07 PM
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76 Duke A = 67.46 6 3 64.82( 92) 71.17 62 | 66.57 79
78 Ball St A = 67.19 6 3 65.98( 83) 72.15 57 | 66.10 83
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Re: You're going to argue over the third decimal place?
Nov 2, 2012, 3:15 PM
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you really don't understand what I just said do you? just admit it because you are making yourself look worse.
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CU Guru [1838]
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Another way of saying it
Nov 2, 2012, 3:17 PM
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A PUSH
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Re: Another way of saying it
Nov 2, 2012, 3:21 PM
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Like I said. You should've admitted you didn't understand.
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Question:
Nov 2, 2012, 7:51 PM
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Do you have a vag?
You were wrong. Period. Your repeated failure to admit you were wrong, and changing of your story now, well, that's pretty much pathetic. And the incessant whining about being some sort of a victim is perhaps even worse. If you truly went to the Citadel, then you'd be much more of man than you exhibit here on nearly a daily basis.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Seriously
Nov 2, 2012, 5:05 PM
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Assuming Clemson would be 11-1 would mean a win over top ten Usuc so we would have a quality win. Not sure if that would be enough but would definitely improve the resume.
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Rock Defender [54]
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No, but I wasn't an ###. Sorry your feelings got hurt, but
Nov 2, 2012, 1:03 PM
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it was your mistake, not mine.
If you're going to take the counter-approach to everything posted here, then claim to be a fan of a school completely unrelated to anything posted here, then you should be prepared for it.
Again, sorry you didn't think hard enough about what you were posting, but n any case, if you want to make lame counterpoints to things posted on this sports message, then you should try to be less sensitive.
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Re: No, but I wasn't an ###. Sorry your feelings got hurt, but
Nov 2, 2012, 1:04 PM
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BOOM!!!
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Rock Defender [54]
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Riiiiight..
Nov 2, 2012, 1:14 PM
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LOL. You're kinda weak man.
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CU Guru [1838]
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In the words of the great actor John Belushi
Nov 2, 2012, 2:56 PM
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BUUUURP Why not?
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That or you love the trolling and flaming that THIS board
Nov 2, 2012, 3:54 PM
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will allow... Can't act like that on other boards...You would have been banned anywhere else LOOOONG ago...Least you can do is admit it...
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CU Guru [1838]
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So me just stating that I don't think you guys will jump
Nov 2, 2012, 3:58 PM
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K State or Oregon or ND if they lose one is trolling and flaming?
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Don't backtrack...You took a shot at us...Least you can do
Nov 2, 2012, 4:23 PM
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is admit it...
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that is not a shot, 11-1 is awesome but I don't think
Nov 2, 2012, 4:31 PM
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this year's schedule will get it. Who would have thought Auburn, GT, VT would be where they are today. This schedule last year would have you guys top 5.
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You were less than complimentary...Least you can do is
Nov 2, 2012, 4:41 PM
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own it...The coots do...
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You are right. I could have been more tactful
Nov 2, 2012, 4:54 PM
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like Lowcountry
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Yeah, that way you will only be the SECond biggest a$$ on
Nov 2, 2012, 5:04 PM
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the board...A position you seem to be ok with...
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So what is Lowcountry Raconteur?
Nov 2, 2012, 4:02 PM
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Is he really a grad? or a Coot in disguise?
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One step higher than you on the poop ladder...***
Nov 2, 2012, 4:25 PM
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He is a supposed grad and lobs fire bombs all the time***
Nov 2, 2012, 4:35 PM
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Do you have a point? How does that make YOUR behavior
Nov 2, 2012, 4:39 PM
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any more palatable?
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Guess it doesn't huh?***
Nov 2, 2012, 6:01 PM
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Re: Thats a big assumption
Nov 2, 2012, 2:48 PM
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What is an at large big? did you mean bid? If you did not you should have.
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Always:
Nov 2, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Always hope for the best!
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 10:06 AM
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People always say the "Big East sucks" however it's been a while since we have beaten one of them. WV,USF, VT(pre 2004), Syracuse...was Temple in the Big East when we played them? While the reputation of those teams may be lacking, they generally beat our ###.
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All-TigerNet [13081]
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With Boise potentially crapping on the BCS party by
Nov 2, 2012, 10:56 AM
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sneaking into the top 16 this year (with a much weaker team than they usually field), an at-large birth may not happen even for us with an 11-1 record. We would essentially be competing for ONE bid in that situation.
Some things that would greatly help our cause would be:
1) Boise losing another game. That would instantly put an end to their chances.
2) The Big East and Big Ten champions both finishing ahead of Boise in the BCS. Currently, Louisville is 10th, Boise 19th, and Nebraska 20th. Both of those teams would probably need to win out to finish ahead.
3) Boise sliding back in the computers and the human voters keeping them near their current position rather than moving them up as other teams lose.
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I'd say that's very likely.
Nov 2, 2012, 11:16 AM
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A Sugar Bowl matchup with UGA, FLA, or just about anybody would draw a bigger, broader audience than a matchup against any Big East program, would result in a higher end-of-year ranking, and be much better for the Clemson football program than winning an ACC title this year.
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 12:50 PM
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I think winning a championship is always worth the risks and the downside of playing a crappy bowl opponent but I think you are a little too optimistic about us getting a at-large bowl birth in the Sugar bowl if we go 11-1. Just don't see how we sneak in unless a bunch of teams in front of us lose games they shouldn't lose.
Any of the undefeated teams even with 1 loss are going to be miles ahead of us because of their SOS compared to us. We couldn't have picked a worse year to play Auburn, Va Tech, and GT as they all suck this year and are killing our computer rankings. Even a 2 loss LSU is still going to get in before us I would guess as their two losses are to Bama and UF.
Just think about it like this, if you were the Sugar Bowl, who would you take, a 1 loss Notre Dame team or a 1 loss Clemson team? With our big wins being over who? As to ND's being over Oklahoma, Stanford, and so on.
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 1:02 PM
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I see what you are saying but the good think about an At large bid is that it isn't necessarily the next team up. They pick who they want in their bowl. and thankfully our fan base travels really well(as does most currently ranked ahead of us).
with that said, oregon, nd, uf, uga, k state, could all POTENTIALLY lose multiple games. Don't forget that wv looked unbeatable just a few short weeks ago.
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 1:27 PM
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West Va's defense never looked good and I think most reasonable people could see them losing a game or two over the course of a year.
As for our fan base traveling really well, I agree but not sure the rest of the country thinks that as much as we do. Everyone of those teams you mentioned travel as good as or better than we do with the exception of K state and they are fairly close to the Sugar and closer than us to the Fiesta so I don't see how we move ahead of all of those teams.
I hope you are right and would love the chance to go to New Orleans and party but I see Atlanta in my future.
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 2:00 PM
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I see what you are saying. I still think we have as good a chance to play in the sugar if usuc wins until we beat them and UGA loses the seccg. we are top 10 in both major polls and sos is hurting us terribly in the bcs standings...usuc winning(until we beat them) and fsu continuing to win will help us more than anything else to get an at large bid.(outside of obviously winning out).
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 4:03 PM
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I see what you are saying as well and hope you are right but just don't see it until we are 6-8 in the polls and some of the one loss teams get two losses and even some of the two loss teams get 3 losses, I would not be surprised if Oklahoma goes to the Sugar over us with 2 losses. Especially if those two losses are two undefeated Notre Dame and undefeated K state.
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Several sites...
Nov 2, 2012, 1:29 PM
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Pick Clemson to go to the sugar in new orleans vs Georgia or Florida, on the flip that same matchup could occur in chikfila bowl in Atlanta. Sec can only get 2 in BCS, much will be determined by seccg and who else loses before the last game.
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First goal is conference championship. You build your
Nov 2, 2012, 2:58 PM
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season on that.
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LMAO!! Wow!! Just when you think you've heard it all.***
Nov 2, 2012, 3:54 PM
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Re: LMAO!! Wow!! Just when you think you've heard it all.***
Nov 2, 2012, 3:55 PM
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thank you for your informative response.
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What else do you expect for an insanely stupid question?***
Nov 2, 2012, 3:58 PM
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Re: What else do you expect for an insanely stupid question?***
Nov 2, 2012, 3:59 PM
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care to rebutt other than be a #####?
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Re: What else do you expect for an insanely stupid question?***
Nov 2, 2012, 4:00 PM
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rather than***
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My rebuttal was that it's a stupid question. Stupid question
Nov 2, 2012, 5:41 PM
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do not deserve answers.
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Re: My rebuttal was that it's a stupid question. Stupid question
Nov 2, 2012, 5:43 PM
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then why respond? that is answering you idiot
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 4:07 PM
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it is all about been ranked int the top 5 at 12-1. No one will care about the acc champs bowl.
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Re: If we go 11-1 and miss acccg
Nov 2, 2012, 4:24 PM
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No no.. of course I would rather play in the Sugar Bowl against a good name but the ACC Title, aside from going for the MNC is the number #1 goal. Period
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