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ACC and it's future.
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Aug 5, 2023, 9:00 AM
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The only hope is some sort of conference merger. A Big 12 and ACC merger maybe. Have a east and west with some crossover games. Would the SEC grab up some teams before the BIG 10 does?
The BIG 10 sounds the least attractive especially now how far west they have gone. I would love for things to stay the same but I don't see how. It's not just the money but also the recruiting. The perception is going to be the real football is played in the BIG 10 and the SEC. If ND were to join it might help but I'm not sure at this point.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
Aug 5, 2023, 9:03 AM
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Somewhere, york_tiger is smiling at this.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
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Aug 5, 2023, 9:08 AM
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The only hope is some sort of conference merger. A Big 12 and ACC merger maybe. Have a east and west with some crossover games. Would the SEC grab up some teams before the BIG 10 does?
The BIG 10 sounds the least attractive especially now how far west they have gone. I would love for things to stay the same but I don't see how. It's not just the money but also the recruiting. The perception is going to be the real football is played in the BIG 10 and the SEC. If ND were to join it might help but I'm not sure at this point.
The best case for Clemson is that 8 ACC members vote to eliminate the Grant of Rights and the exit fee and leave the ACC intact for now so that we, and others, have the freedom to decide what is best for our future. At the end of the day, being kept in the ACC by coercion is a losing proposition. I don't believe slapping together a geographically disjointed conference is going to be good for the Tigers.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
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Aug 5, 2023, 9:13 AM
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What you call coercion the ACC might call contractual obligation.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
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Aug 5, 2023, 9:47 AM
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this "contractual obligation" will suffocate the ACC and ESPN; because their management sucks (to include Disney) will drag the ACC down with it... if ESPN was truly interested in the ACC remaining a competitive conference they would be at the table renegotiating the GOR deal not standing on the Conference's neck.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
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Aug 5, 2023, 9:55 AM
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I don't disagree it's a bad deal but ESPN may or may not have incentive to renegotiate (pay out more) so ACC teams can be more competitive. The Big 12 deal averages 4 to 7 million less per team than what the ACC deal gives teams. No one seems to be suggesting ESPN should renegotiate so the Big 12 can be more competitive as a conference.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
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Aug 5, 2023, 7:32 PM
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ACC - Each team in the conference takes home about $17 million a season with the 14 programs that currently reside in the ACC. Deal goes thru 2036
BIG10 - Each team in the conference takes home about $31.4 million. Deal goes thru 2029-30 school year (they just added more programs so the share will decline slightly but the west coast markets give them huge leverage in 2030).
Big12 - the current deal runs out in 2025, the reported new deal increases their payout to $380mil after 2025. Deal ends in 2031. An average of $31.67 million to each of the 12 conference members (now growing number of schools... bigger market share)
PAC10- D-E-A-D
SEC- the 14 member schools receive about $40 million a year solely from the league’s TV deal.
ND - $15mil, up for a new contract
Every other Conference will be able to renegotiate well before the ACC can even start talking about it...
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Your #s are now where close to accurate***
Aug 5, 2023, 7:42 PM
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*no***
Aug 5, 2023, 8:09 PM
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Re: ACC and it's future.
Aug 5, 2023, 9:49 AM
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I wonder if the SEC or Big10 would consider allowing a team like Clemson join only in football? A renegotiated deal with ESPN could leave all current members in a G5 level football conference. This would be consistent with the level of investment the basketball centric schools are willing to spend on football and allow them to get off the crazy train of the P5 arms race. Secondly, this would favor Clemson’s other sports and the expensive logistics plus the problem with what to do with men’s soccer (and women’s lacrosse?). Certainly a better solution for softball and baseball.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
Aug 6, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Valid point. Contractual obligation (Titanic before the iceberg) is what it is, coercion (Titanic after the iceberg) is what it looks like.
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So which ACC schools would vote AGAINST revoking the GOR
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Aug 5, 2023, 9:43 AM
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if it were as simple as voting it down? I guess the ones who were worried about their attractiveness as a candidate to either the Big 16 or the SEC? So who, then? Syracuse, Duke, Wake, BC…who else?
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Re: ACC and it's future.
Aug 5, 2023, 9:50 AM
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It takes a unanimous vote to change or amend the GOR.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
Aug 5, 2023, 10:05 AM
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True, but it only takes 8 to break it.
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Re: ACC and it's future.
Aug 5, 2023, 10:07 AM
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Even if that were a true, according to bylaws a quorum takes 2/3 members which would be 10.
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The consensus is that is not addressed and thus
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Aug 5, 2023, 8:46 PM
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NC non profit law takes effect which is majority. 8 would be needed.
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Future
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Aug 5, 2023, 10:01 AM
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Football recruits worry about winning titles and NIL money. The past two seasons have not done Clemson any favors. Hopefully the Tigers have a great season this year and make the playoff. Winning the Natty would be awesome too. Other programs have been able to use the past two seasons against Clemson with recruits stating the program is in a decline. Win this season and that problem is solved.
Money is a different thing. The ACC needs to have an emergency meeting and approve a value added revenue sharing agreement. Clemson also needs to figure out how to profit off of ticket transfers. Ticketmaster needs to share the wealth. No judgement but, some Clemson fans do not pay a cent to IPTAY. Clemson needs to collect a fee when a transferred ticket is purchased off of Ticketmaster. Another approach would be to ditch Ticketmaster and have a school ticket website.
NIL is currently in the crosshairs of the government and who knows where it will end. Some fans are tapped out after IPTAY dues and season ticket purchases. I have no idea if Clemson fans will have the money to compete in the NIL arms race. The Tigers need a booster to hit the lottery or start a very lucrative business.
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any "merger" would be the B12 inviting the likes of NCSU/UL
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Aug 5, 2023, 10:10 AM
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etc...
The B1G is going to come take some, or all, of Clem/FSU/Miami/UNC. Fox will get in the southern market. ESPN probably saw this coming, and did the best thing they could do by getting TX/OU. That was a huge get from a viewership standpoint.
Disney and ESPN are struggling, and FOX is coming after their territory.
The next B1G contract, if it includes a Clem/FSU/Miami... will be unlike anything ever seen.
The B12 knows this, and may be waiting to see what's left.
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Re: any "merger" would be the B12 inviting the likes of NCSU/UL
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Aug 5, 2023, 7:49 PM
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Every merger brings us closer to CFB collapse. Your watching the slow demise of college athletics.
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